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There’s going to be a big exodus of open source developers going to Linux-powered platforms instead of the standard Mac laptop because of this ridiculousness

cageface 6y ago
This is happening at my company already because docker performance on Macs is terrible.
- millstone 6y ago
  On the one hand, of course it is, because Macs are slow at running Linux stuff in the same way that Linux is slow at running non-Linux stuff. On the other hand, Apple should decide if they care about Docker performance. The answer seems to be "a little" (Hypervisor.framework) but much less than, say, Microsoft. Apple doesn't talk about their future plans. Today we see stagnation, YET with spikes of exotic ideas (e.g. L4, which would permit efficient L4 Linux). Per Apple's style, a big kernel change on the Mac side would absolutely be tied to a hardware change, to break things once and not twice. Build a new Mac with a Linux-friendly kernel (perhaps Linux, perhaps modified L4, or something new), put it on their beastly ARM CPUs, and I'm drooling. Then again I don't work at Apple.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  Is that slowness possibly related to the OP's issue? And possibly might benefit from the same workarounds posted here?
jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
> the standard Mac laptop There is nothing standard about a Mac laptop, both technically and in market share.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  At Silicon Valley technology companies? A Mac is generally the computer that you're likely to get.
  - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
    Silicon Valley is a very small dot in the global scale.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      A fairly influential one, nonetheless.
      - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
        Influential in technology output? Yeah. Influential in Mac market share? Not in the slightest. Companies around the globe don’t care one bit about which laptops SV companies are buying.
    - IshKebab 6y ago
      It's not just Silicon Valley. In the last two companies I've worked in in the UK everyone had Macbooks.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  Well, I'd say 90% of the computers I've seen at the last 10 confs I've attended were Macbook Pros https://hackernoon.com/why-do-developers-run-macs-9ad81d58d177 https://hackernoon.com/why-do-developers-run-macs-9ad81d58d1...
  - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
    Look outside the US.

cageface 6y ago

This is happening at my company already because docker performance on Macs is terrible.

millstone 6y ago
On the one hand, of course it is, because Macs are slow at running Linux stuff in the same way that Linux is slow at running non-Linux stuff. On the other hand, Apple should decide if they care about Docker performance. The answer seems to be "a little" (Hypervisor.framework) but much less than, say, Microsoft. Apple doesn't talk about their future plans. Today we see stagnation, YET with spikes of exotic ideas (e.g. L4, which would permit efficient L4 Linux). Per Apple's style, a big kernel change on the Mac side would absolutely be tied to a hardware change, to break things once and not twice. Build a new Mac with a Linux-friendly kernel (perhaps Linux, perhaps modified L4, or something new), put it on their beastly ARM CPUs, and I'm drooling. Then again I don't work at Apple.
pmarreck 6y ago
Is that slowness possibly related to the OP's issue? And possibly might benefit from the same workarounds posted here?

jfkebwjsbx 6y ago

> the standard Mac laptop There is nothing standard about a Mac laptop, both technically and in market share.

saagarjha 6y ago
At Silicon Valley technology companies? A Mac is generally the computer that you're likely to get.
- jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
  Silicon Valley is a very small dot in the global scale.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    A fairly influential one, nonetheless.
    - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
      Influential in technology output? Yeah. Influential in Mac market share? Not in the slightest. Companies around the globe don’t care one bit about which laptops SV companies are buying.
  - IshKebab 6y ago
    It's not just Silicon Valley. In the last two companies I've worked in in the UK everyone had Macbooks.
pmarreck 6y ago
Well, I'd say 90% of the computers I've seen at the last 10 confs I've attended were Macbook Pros https://hackernoon.com/why-do-developers-run-macs-9ad81d58d177 https://hackernoon.com/why-do-developers-run-macs-9ad81d58d1...
- jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
  Look outside the US.