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I don't see it on macOS 10.15.4 (19E287). The full list of categories on my Privacy tab: - Location Services - Contacts - Calendars - Reminders - Pho

by oefrha 6y ago

I don't see it on macOS 10.15.4 (19E287). The full list of categories on my Privacy tab: - Location Services - Contacts - Calendars - Reminders - Photos - Camera - Microphone - Speech Recognition - Accessibility - Input Monitoring - Full Disk Access - Files and Folders - Screen Recording - Automation - Advertising - Analytics & Improvements Granted I don't typically use Terminal.app (iTerm 2 user), so I launched terminal and did some privileged stuff. Had to grant Full Disk Access to, say, `ls ~/Library/Mail`, but "Developer Tools" never popped up. Are you running a beta build or something? --- Update: Okay, I checked on my other machine and that one does have it (Terminal is listed but disabled by default). What in the actual fuck?!?

mbreese 6y ago
Maybe if you ran Terminal.app once it would work? (I'm also on 10.15.4 (19E287))
- oefrha 6y ago
  No, I played around with Terminal.app for quite a while already. Actually the category does show up on another machine of mine (see edit)... I suspected that maybe I never ran Xcode on the first machine since I upgraded to Catalina, so I launched Xcode, but again, no luck. I'm at a complete loss now.
- asdff 6y ago
  Terminal actually gives an error if you poke into the top level library folder with full disk access disabled, no prompt to change without me looking on stack overflow for the solution.
Sangeppato 6y ago
Maybe you need Xcode, try running "mkdir /Applications/Xcode.app"
- oefrha 6y ago
  As mentioned in a reply to a sibling, Xcode has been installed (for like five years) on this machine, and launching it doesn't help. The next step would be to compile and run an application with it, which I haven't bothered.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I would expect checks for Xcode to go through xcselect rather than a simple directory check. Installing the command line tools (sudo xcode-select --install) might actually be a better idea to test this.
  - Sangeppato 6y ago
    I thought the same, but actually this method worked for me when I wanted the the Spotlight "Developer" option to show up (the CLT were already installed). I have the Developer panel under "privacy" as well, even if I never installed Xcode on my machine
saagarjha 6y ago
I don't see it on my machine. Do you happen to have System Integrity Protection disabled?
- oefrha 6y ago
  No, SIP is fully enabled on both the machine with the Developer Tools category and the one without. Interestingly, I rebooted the machine without after some benchmarking and experimentation with syspolicyd (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274903), and after the reboot the category has mysteriously surfaced... Not sure what triggered it. Launching Xcode? Xcode and CLT were both installed on the machine, but I'm not sure when I last launched Xcode on this machine. Another possible difference I can think of: the machine without was an in-place upgrade, while the other one IIRC was a clean install of 10.15. In the worst case scenario, you can probably insert into the TCC database (just a SQLite3 database, located at ~/Library/Application Support/com.apple.TCC/TCC.db) directly: INSERT INTO access VALUES('kTCCServiceDeveloperTool','com.apple.Terminal',0,1,1,NULL,NULL,NULL,'UNUSED',NULL,0,1590165238); INSERT INTO access VALUES('kTCCServiceDeveloperTool','com.googlecode.iterm2',0,1,1,NULL,NULL,NULL,'UNUSED',NULL,0,1590168367); (Should be pretty self-explanatory. The first entry is for Terminal.app, the second entry is for iTerm 2.) Back up, obviously. I'm not on the hook for any data loss or system bricking.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    > In the worst case scenario, you can probably insert into the TCC database Does this not require disabling SIP?
    - oefrha 6y ago
      Yes. I got mine to appear through mysterious yet fully SIP-enabled means, but if all else fails for you you can temporarily disable SIP to change this.
xenadu02 6y ago
You can make the category appear and put Terminal in it with this command: sudo spctl developer-mode enable-terminal
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I'd be nice if this was documented somewhere :/
  - hanche 6y ago
    I was going to be that guy and say “man spctl”, but that usage isn’t listed there. If you run spctl with no arguments, it will tell you, however. The man pages on macos really do leave something to be desired.
    - acecilia 6y ago
      This does not make the "developer tools" panel show up in my machine :( tried everything already

by oefrha 6y ago

mbreese 6y ago

Maybe if you ran Terminal.app once it would work? (I'm also on 10.15.4 (19E287))

oefrha 6y ago
No, I played around with Terminal.app for quite a while already. Actually the category does show up on another machine of mine (see edit)... I suspected that maybe I never ran Xcode on the first machine since I upgraded to Catalina, so I launched Xcode, but again, no luck. I'm at a complete loss now.
asdff 6y ago
Terminal actually gives an error if you poke into the top level library folder with full disk access disabled, no prompt to change without me looking on stack overflow for the solution.

Sangeppato 6y ago

Maybe you need Xcode, try running "mkdir /Applications/Xcode.app"

oefrha 6y ago
As mentioned in a reply to a sibling, Xcode has been installed (for like five years) on this machine, and launching it doesn't help. The next step would be to compile and run an application with it, which I haven't bothered.
saagarjha 6y ago
I would expect checks for Xcode to go through xcselect rather than a simple directory check. Installing the command line tools (sudo xcode-select --install) might actually be a better idea to test this.
- Sangeppato 6y ago
  I thought the same, but actually this method worked for me when I wanted the the Spotlight "Developer" option to show up (the CLT were already installed). I have the Developer panel under "privacy" as well, even if I never installed Xcode on my machine

saagarjha 6y ago

I don't see it on my machine. Do you happen to have System Integrity Protection disabled?

oefrha 6y ago
No, SIP is fully enabled on both the machine with the Developer Tools category and the one without. Interestingly, I rebooted the machine without after some benchmarking and experimentation with syspolicyd (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274903), and after the reboot the category has mysteriously surfaced... Not sure what triggered it. Launching Xcode? Xcode and CLT were both installed on the machine, but I'm not sure when I last launched Xcode on this machine. Another possible difference I can think of: the machine without was an in-place upgrade, while the other one IIRC was a clean install of 10.15. In the worst case scenario, you can probably insert into the TCC database (just a SQLite3 database, located at ~/Library/Application Support/com.apple.TCC/TCC.db) directly: INSERT INTO access VALUES('kTCCServiceDeveloperTool','com.apple.Terminal',0,1,1,NULL,NULL,NULL,'UNUSED',NULL,0,1590165238); INSERT INTO access VALUES('kTCCServiceDeveloperTool','com.googlecode.iterm2',0,1,1,NULL,NULL,NULL,'UNUSED',NULL,0,1590168367); (Should be pretty self-explanatory. The first entry is for Terminal.app, the second entry is for iTerm 2.) Back up, obviously. I'm not on the hook for any data loss or system bricking.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  > In the worst case scenario, you can probably insert into the TCC database Does this not require disabling SIP?
  - oefrha 6y ago
    Yes. I got mine to appear through mysterious yet fully SIP-enabled means, but if all else fails for you you can temporarily disable SIP to change this.

xenadu02 6y ago

You can make the category appear and put Terminal in it with this command: sudo spctl developer-mode enable-terminal

saagarjha 6y ago
I'd be nice if this was documented somewhere :/
- hanche 6y ago
  I was going to be that guy and say “man spctl”, but that usage isn’t listed there. If you run spctl with no arguments, it will tell you, however. The man pages on macos really do leave something to be desired.
  - acecilia 6y ago
    This does not make the "developer tools" panel show up in my machine :( tried everything already