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Almost nobody and it does not matter. IBM core business is not hardware anymore, they are consulting company like Accenture, McKinsey, Deloitte, etc [1]. The so
by piokoch 6y ago
Almost nobody and it does not matter. IBM core business is not hardware anymore, they are consulting company like Accenture, McKinsey, Deloitte, etc [1]. The software & hardware company from the '80 and '90 died and filled for bankruptcy in 1999.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/274823/ibms-global-revenue-by-segment/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/274823/ibms-global-reven...
- octygen 6y agoI would caution comparing IBM to McKinsey. Very different DNA. Also, vs Accenture\Deloitte there is a big difference in that the two don't have their own products to push into boxes in component diagrams - IBM does and execs know it. This puts it very much at a disadvantage. Accenture, Deloitte & IBM are considered Tier 2. The BMW, Mercedes, Audi if you will. McKinsey, Bain, BCG are Tier 1. The Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc. Tier 2 do their darndest to get into Tier 1 but the nature of the work is very different and the chasm between tiers is hard to cross just like in the car industry. Source: I've done extensive work in both tiers.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoMcKinsey just lost their schedule contracts with the feds: https://federalnewsnetwork.com/acquisition-policy/2020/05/gsa-terminates-mckinsey-co-s-schedule-contract/ https://federalnewsnetwork.com/acquisition-policy/2020/05/gs...
- Aeolun 6y agoProbably depends on location? I’ve never heard of Bain or BCG.
- wegs 6y agoNope. McKinsey, Bain, and BCG are the tier 1 everywhere. McKinsey is by far the biggest and best-known, but it's like MIT and Caltech. One is bigger, and one is smaller. The smaller is less well-known, but it's no worse. In this case, the smaller companies are, if anything, slightly higher-end (more boutique). I'm not actually sure the Tier 2 are trying to become Tier 1. It's like comparing Walmart to Tiffany & Co. They're very different business models, but upscale doesn't necessarily beat mass market.
- pmart123 6y agoI would say the model has changed from selling your own software explicitly to writing most of the software (glueing systems+customizations) for Client 1, and reusing most of it when Client 2 roughly asks for the same thing. What about EPAM Systems btw?
- wenc 6y agoJust curious, as an industry outsider -- what do MBB do that make them Tier 1? My experience is the Tier 2 vendors you've listed are more tactical, and typically handle execution (outsourcing etc.). Whereas MBB are more strategic, C-Suite, but the value-add may or may not be significantly different from the former.
- hestefisk 6y agoPrice point, access, quality of analysts.
- iamback 6y agoNo they are not (only) that. IBM is a global cloud provider on par with the rest as far as the basic offers go.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y agoIBM doesn't have it's own cloud, it runs on AWS. Edit: I was confused by this: https://www.ibm.com/cloud/architecture/architectures/ibm-cloud-private-aws https://www.ibm.com/cloud/architecture/architectures/ibm-clo...
- abtinf 6y agoThat is an outright lie. I’ve seen IBM data centers. The most basic googling will show this is a lie.
- iamback 6y agoSeriously now? https://cloud.ibm.com/login https://cloud.ibm.com/login IBM cloud has nothing to do with AWS or any other provider. It is an autonomous provider just like AWS, Azure, Google, Alibaba, etc Disclaimer: Close friend works there. Jesus, get your facts straight before shooting such inaccuracies.
- posixplz 6y agoIBMs cloud is on par? With whom? Certainly not AWS and Azure. Nor GCP. Not even with OCI.