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I can see a future cynical me talking about how brutal it is to lure poor students and have them take loans to pay first year tuition only to kick them out a ye

by rvp-x 6y ago

I can see a future cynical me talking about how brutal it is to lure poor students and have them take loans to pay first year tuition only to kick them out a year later with nothing to show for it, if they're not the top 1/3 for some reason.

SiempreViernes 6y ago
This is in the context of a free education system, the only thing the poor students loose is a bit of time.
- ajsnigrutin 6y ago
  A year is A LOT of time, and you have to explain why you lost a year later on. Also, even in "free" education systems, some taxpayer is going to ask "why the hell am I paying for 2/3 of crappy students, can't you just raise the bar at the beginning, and only accept the top 1/3?"
  - zajio1am 6y ago
    It is not that they do not learn anything during that year. Also, many of them later got admitted to some 'easier' school and got their credits transferred.
  - newbie578 6y ago
    A year is a lot? Then what is 5 years, a lifetime? Let's not fool ourselves, a year is NOTHING, it passes as soon as it arrives. There is nothing bad with people "loosing" a year or two, or perhaps even more. In an ever more pacing world, we should readjust and look back, some might "sacrifice" a year, but they also learn valuable experience so not all is lost. Today, when people's work time can last 50 years easily, what is a year or more? Let people "search for themselves". Let them try out the hard things, let them explore and value experience, realize if something is for them or isn't. In the end, we learn most from our mistakes, not successes.
    - codeisawesome 6y ago
      I sometimes wish I could remember that a year is a short time. I’m often wracked by guilt about not progressing at sub-yearly “ticks” on some aspects.
  - magicalhippo 6y ago
    > and you have to explain why you lost a year later on. That's only if you do nothing else for the rest of the year...
orwin 6y ago
not grandparent, but where i live it's the same system: ten years ago tuition were 230€/year until your master degree, roughly half got cut after the first year and a fifth/quarter the second year.
poohblahoyamo 6y ago
Oh oh. Those are called Caribbean medical schools.
Mountain_Skies 6y ago
That's essentially the same argument Supreme Court justice Rehnquist made during a case regarding the use of affirmative action in university admissions.

by rvp-x 6y ago

SiempreViernes 6y ago

This is in the context of a free education system, the only thing the poor students loose is a bit of time.

ajsnigrutin 6y ago
A year is A LOT of time, and you have to explain why you lost a year later on. Also, even in "free" education systems, some taxpayer is going to ask "why the hell am I paying for 2/3 of crappy students, can't you just raise the bar at the beginning, and only accept the top 1/3?"
- zajio1am 6y ago
  It is not that they do not learn anything during that year. Also, many of them later got admitted to some 'easier' school and got their credits transferred.
- newbie578 6y ago
  A year is a lot? Then what is 5 years, a lifetime? Let's not fool ourselves, a year is NOTHING, it passes as soon as it arrives. There is nothing bad with people "loosing" a year or two, or perhaps even more. In an ever more pacing world, we should readjust and look back, some might "sacrifice" a year, but they also learn valuable experience so not all is lost. Today, when people's work time can last 50 years easily, what is a year or more? Let people "search for themselves". Let them try out the hard things, let them explore and value experience, realize if something is for them or isn't. In the end, we learn most from our mistakes, not successes.
  - codeisawesome 6y ago
    I sometimes wish I could remember that a year is a short time. I’m often wracked by guilt about not progressing at sub-yearly “ticks” on some aspects.
- magicalhippo 6y ago
  > and you have to explain why you lost a year later on. That's only if you do nothing else for the rest of the year...

orwin 6y ago

not grandparent, but where i live it's the same system: ten years ago tuition were 230€/year until your master degree, roughly half got cut after the first year and a fifth/quarter the second year.

poohblahoyamo 6y ago

Oh oh. Those are called Caribbean medical schools.

Mountain_Skies 6y ago

That's essentially the same argument Supreme Court justice Rehnquist made during a case regarding the use of affirmative action in university admissions.