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Looks alive and well to me... https://youtu.be/uk2YZfnsOPg https://youtu.be/uk2YZfnsOPg

by burke_holland 6y ago

takeda 6y ago
So just guerilla advertising? So weird, that video is in the article that claims it was banned.
- raspasov 6y ago
  I would have been really surprised if they actually removed it. The points made in the video are mostly sensible. They acknowledge the many unknowns. It more or less advocates for the Swedish model of dealing with this vs. most other countries.
  - busymom0 6y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336
  - RandomTisk 6y ago
    Google deleted / censored CSPAN video of a Senator on the floor of the Senate[0]. [0] https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/c-span-video-of-rand-paul-reading-censored-impeachment-trial-question-taken-down-on-twitter/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/c-span-video-of-ran...
    - Thorrez 6y ago
      That article is about a Tweet being taken down, not about Google. Also that article says > It is not clear whether C-SPAN or Twitter took down the video.
      - RandomTisk 6y ago
        My bad, here's a better link. It's hard to find a "mainstream" source because most of the old media is ignoring a lot of newsworthy items these days. https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/02/13/rand-paul-blasts-youtube-over-censorship-of-speech-on-senate-floor/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/02/13/rand-paul-blasts-y... It's widely known that Google/Youtube took down any videos where the name of the supposed whistleblower were being mentioned, at least according to a lot of regular content creators who had videos deleted or shadow banned.
        iso947 6y ago
        Think about why the only sources you can find are those which Wikipedia says “The site has published a number of falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and intentionally misleading stories.”
        jexah 6y ago
        Remembering that Wikipedia is also heavily biased.
        opnitro 6y ago
        Yes, however Brietbart used to have a section called "Black Crime"
        RandomTisk 6y ago
        Link? Also, a major political party used to be pro-slavery, so acknowledging and removing mistakes should be considered a good thing.
        ifjdndixi 6y ago
        Breitbart Fuck you asshole.
        RandomTisk 6y ago
        Killing the messenger doesn't change the message.
  - ehsankia 6y ago
    Their automated system has a non-zero false-positive rate. It will from time to time accidentally take down legitimate videos, which they restore fairly quickly once you request a manual review, such as in this case. Yet people still jump to conclusion and assume malintent, posting headlines which imply Youtube is intentionally removing these videos. Clickbait.
    - polynomial 6y ago
      > which they restore fairly quickly once you request a manual review Seems like an overly optimistic view, based on stories you hear that small publishers don't stand a chance.
      - ehsankia 6y ago
        Yet people ignore all the cases where it was indeed recovered very quickly, as is the case here.
    - soraminazuki 6y ago
      I've heard enough of these machine learning buzzword bingos every week when things like this happen. The thing is, I don't care. I just want things like this to never happen again.
      - skronch 6y ago
        This is akin to saying "I've heard enough of these NHTSA reports every week when car accidents happen. The thing is, I don't care. I just want things like this to never happen again." A 0% error rate is a great aspirational target. But it's also important to acknowledge that a complex system may never be perfect. Insisting otherwise is ignoring reality.
        IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
        When you are editorializing , you dont get the pipes exception on copyright infringement. Either they get it right, or open up. They cant do it half way.
- busymom0 6y ago
  Don't want to duplicate my comment but trying to prevent wrong conclusions. He tweeted few hours ago that YouTube has reinstated his video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336
busymom0 6y ago
> Pleased that Youtube has reinstated my interview. I appreciate all of the support. Nobody knows what's going to happen with this pandemic - debate is always a good thing! I think preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best is a sensible strategy. https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1263518352347148288 https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/12635183523471482...

Looks alive and well to me... https://youtu.be/uk2YZfnsOPg https://youtu.be/uk2YZfnsOPg

takeda 6y ago

So just guerilla advertising? So weird, that video is in the article that claims it was banned.

raspasov 6y ago
I would have been really surprised if they actually removed it. The points made in the video are mostly sensible. They acknowledge the many unknowns. It more or less advocates for the Swedish model of dealing with this vs. most other countries.
- busymom0 6y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336
- RandomTisk 6y ago
  Google deleted / censored CSPAN video of a Senator on the floor of the Senate[0]. [0] https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/c-span-video-of-rand-paul-reading-censored-impeachment-trial-question-taken-down-on-twitter/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/c-span-video-of-ran...
  - Thorrez 6y ago
    That article is about a Tweet being taken down, not about Google. Also that article says > It is not clear whether C-SPAN or Twitter took down the video.
    - RandomTisk 6y ago
      My bad, here's a better link. It's hard to find a "mainstream" source because most of the old media is ignoring a lot of newsworthy items these days. https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/02/13/rand-paul-blasts-youtube-over-censorship-of-speech-on-senate-floor/ https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/02/13/rand-paul-blasts-y... It's widely known that Google/Youtube took down any videos where the name of the supposed whistleblower were being mentioned, at least according to a lot of regular content creators who had videos deleted or shadow banned.
      - iso947 6y ago
        Think about why the only sources you can find are those which Wikipedia says “The site has published a number of falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and intentionally misleading stories.”
        jexah 6y ago
        Remembering that Wikipedia is also heavily biased.
        opnitro 6y ago
        Yes, however Brietbart used to have a section called "Black Crime"
        RandomTisk 6y ago
        Link? Also, a major political party used to be pro-slavery, so acknowledging and removing mistakes should be considered a good thing.
      - ifjdndixi 6y ago
        Breitbart Fuck you asshole.
        RandomTisk 6y ago
        Killing the messenger doesn't change the message.
- ehsankia 6y ago
  Their automated system has a non-zero false-positive rate. It will from time to time accidentally take down legitimate videos, which they restore fairly quickly once you request a manual review, such as in this case. Yet people still jump to conclusion and assume malintent, posting headlines which imply Youtube is intentionally removing these videos. Clickbait.
  - polynomial 6y ago
    > which they restore fairly quickly once you request a manual review Seems like an overly optimistic view, based on stories you hear that small publishers don't stand a chance.
    - ehsankia 6y ago
      Yet people ignore all the cases where it was indeed recovered very quickly, as is the case here.
  - soraminazuki 6y ago
    I've heard enough of these machine learning buzzword bingos every week when things like this happen. The thing is, I don't care. I just want things like this to never happen again.
    - skronch 6y ago
      This is akin to saying "I've heard enough of these NHTSA reports every week when car accidents happen. The thing is, I don't care. I just want things like this to never happen again." A 0% error rate is a great aspirational target. But it's also important to acknowledge that a complex system may never be perfect. Insisting otherwise is ignoring reality.
      - IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
        When you are editorializing , you dont get the pipes exception on copyright infringement. Either they get it right, or open up. They cant do it half way.
busymom0 6y ago
Don't want to duplicate my comment but trying to prevent wrong conclusions. He tweeted few hours ago that YouTube has reinstated his video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23266336

busymom0 6y ago

> Pleased that Youtube has reinstated my interview. I appreciate all of the support. Nobody knows what's going to happen with this pandemic - debate is always a good thing! I think preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best is a sensible strategy. https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1263518352347148288 https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/12635183523471482...