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Good for them. The point of work is to not have to anymore so you can follow your passions. We've invented machines that can do basically everything it takes

Good for them. The point of work is to not have to anymore so you can follow your passions. We've invented machines that can do basically everything it takes to support human life. Seems like there should be a lot more people following passions now.

luckylion 6y ago
> We've invented machines that can do basically everything it takes to support human life. It's not about "support human life" as in "3000kcal a day". Nobody wants that. They want a comfy human life. We can do that as well, only we need other humans to work to make that happen. Still, good for them if enough people are found to voluntarily work more so they can work on self-actualization and enjoy hedonism.
pdonis 6y ago
> We've invented machines that can do basically everything it takes to support human life. We have? We have machines that can do everything it takes to grow food, prepare it, ship it where it's needed, with no humans? We have machines that can build houses, cars, bicycles, and other forms of transportation, with no humans? We have machines that can make our clothes and all other necessary items with no humans? We have machines that can fix all our crumbling infrastructure with no humans? I think you are drastically underestimating the amount of human work that is needed just to keep the basic functions of society working. Let alone to provide all the nice to have things that we all want.
- viklove 6y ago
  If we really still want them, the law of demand will help us out. The price will go up, and people will start working to be able to afford it. If it turns out that we don't actually want smartphones, new jeans, Starbucks coffee, etc -- then that's great too. We'll end up with a lot less pointless consumption and people can spend their lives chillin' with their buddies!
  - loco5niner 6y ago
    What will actually happen is the UBI money will FIRST go to smartphones, new jeans, Starbucks coffee, and the necessaries of life will come in second.
    - seph-reed 6y ago
      If someone does that, by all means stand back and call them an idiot. Let them suffer. It would actually be justified.
WalterBright 6y ago
> The point of work is to not have to anymore so you can follow your passions. So Bob needs to work so Fred can follow his passion for surfing and video games?
- matz1 6y ago
  The point is Bob doesn't need to work.
  - burrows 6y ago
    If no one is working, then who is being taxed to pay for the UBI?
    - matz1 6y ago
      What do you mean no one is working ? There'll still be people working.
      - loco5niner 6y ago
        That would be Bob.
        zhoujianfu 6y ago
        Bob is somebody who enjoys his job, or creating value, or material things, more than surfing and playing video games. The thought is that we have enough Bobs in the world now, and enough technology and infrastructure, that allowing the Bobs to be Bobs and the Freds to be Freds will still work out fine. (And I agree.)
        burrows 6y ago
        All the Freds got together and decided they want some of Bob’s stuff.
        loco5niner 6y ago

luckylion 6y ago

> We've invented machines that can do basically everything it takes to support human life. It's not about "support human life" as in "3000kcal a day". Nobody wants that. They want a comfy human life. We can do that as well, only we need other humans to work to make that happen. Still, good for them if enough people are found to voluntarily work more so they can work on self-actualization and enjoy hedonism.

pdonis 6y ago

> We've invented machines that can do basically everything it takes to support human life. We have? We have machines that can do everything it takes to grow food, prepare it, ship it where it's needed, with no humans? We have machines that can build houses, cars, bicycles, and other forms of transportation, with no humans? We have machines that can make our clothes and all other necessary items with no humans? We have machines that can fix all our crumbling infrastructure with no humans? I think you are drastically underestimating the amount of human work that is needed just to keep the basic functions of society working. Let alone to provide all the nice to have things that we all want.

viklove 6y ago
If we really still want them, the law of demand will help us out. The price will go up, and people will start working to be able to afford it. If it turns out that we don't actually want smartphones, new jeans, Starbucks coffee, etc -- then that's great too. We'll end up with a lot less pointless consumption and people can spend their lives chillin' with their buddies!
- loco5niner 6y ago
  What will actually happen is the UBI money will FIRST go to smartphones, new jeans, Starbucks coffee, and the necessaries of life will come in second.
  - seph-reed 6y ago
    If someone does that, by all means stand back and call them an idiot. Let them suffer. It would actually be justified.

WalterBright 6y ago

> The point of work is to not have to anymore so you can follow your passions. So Bob needs to work so Fred can follow his passion for surfing and video games?

matz1 6y ago
The point is Bob doesn't need to work.
- burrows 6y ago
  If no one is working, then who is being taxed to pay for the UBI?
  - matz1 6y ago
    What do you mean no one is working ? There'll still be people working.
    - loco5niner 6y ago
      That would be Bob.
      - zhoujianfu 6y ago
        Bob is somebody who enjoys his job, or creating value, or material things, more than surfing and playing video games. The thought is that we have enough Bobs in the world now, and enough technology and infrastructure, that allowing the Bobs to be Bobs and the Freds to be Freds will still work out fine. (And I agree.)
        burrows 6y ago
        All the Freds got together and decided they want some of Bob’s stuff.
        loco5niner 6y ago