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Non violent, persistent, civil disobedience has worked in modern history. It just takes serious dedication, but the current world has a lot more tools in place

Non violent, persistent, civil disobedience has worked in modern history. It just takes serious dedication, but the current world has a lot more tools in place to broadcast the narrative. Those Hong Kong protests can never stop.

petre 6y ago
Not against the CCP. Tank man was allegedy executed by firing squad two weeks after the event.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Allegedly, though. If protest didn't matter at all, it wouldn't be merely alleged; the CCP would just publicly say "yeah we shot him and we'll shoot you next if you bug us about it".
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nickik 6y ago
> Non violent, persistent, civil disobedience has worked in modern history. Against the British empire in places that Britain didn't actually make much money anymore.
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  In America with Civil Rights also.
  - twoheadedboy 6y ago
    Because America is a Democracy. Non violent protests changed people's minds and those people ultimately decide the laws. Won't work in China. China is totalitarian. The government gets what it wants regardless of public opinion. And it will squash any opinion it doesn't like before it spreads.
  - mythrwy 6y ago
    That worked because the federal government had guns and Civil Rights had widespread support in much of the rest of the country. History is probably full of deaths of nonviolent (and violent) resisters.
plutonorm 6y ago
It won't work against a totalitarian government.
- hker 6y ago
  If the totalitarian government could survive a large scale joblessness or recession, comparable to the one US might be experiencing now. Democratic regime may survive bad economic times by transitioning of power if needed, but less so for a totalitarian government. Especially CCP got a lot of its legitimacy from the perceived fast economic growth, it will be problematic if their growth engine halts.
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petre 6y ago

Not against the CCP. Tank man was allegedy executed by firing squad two weeks after the event.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Allegedly, though. If protest didn't matter at all, it wouldn't be merely alleged; the CCP would just publicly say "yeah we shot him and we'll shoot you next if you bug us about it".

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nickik 6y ago

> Non violent, persistent, civil disobedience has worked in modern history. Against the British empire in places that Britain didn't actually make much money anymore.

runawaybottle 6y ago
In America with Civil Rights also.
- twoheadedboy 6y ago
  Because America is a Democracy. Non violent protests changed people's minds and those people ultimately decide the laws. Won't work in China. China is totalitarian. The government gets what it wants regardless of public opinion. And it will squash any opinion it doesn't like before it spreads.
- mythrwy 6y ago
  That worked because the federal government had guns and Civil Rights had widespread support in much of the rest of the country. History is probably full of deaths of nonviolent (and violent) resisters.

plutonorm 6y ago

It won't work against a totalitarian government.

hker 6y ago
If the totalitarian government could survive a large scale joblessness or recession, comparable to the one US might be experiencing now. Democratic regime may survive bad economic times by transitioning of power if needed, but less so for a totalitarian government. Especially CCP got a lot of its legitimacy from the perceived fast economic growth, it will be problematic if their growth engine halts.
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