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How many people will die because their organs get preserved before they actually die?

by arthurcolle 6y ago

jjoonathan 6y ago
Ooh, I know the answer to this one: zero.
- ummonk 6y ago
  Meanwhile downthread we have this link where had the patient been slower to recover she would have been killed by organ harvesting. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-errors-lead-to-dead-patient-opening-eyes-during-organ-harvesting/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-errors-lead-to-dead-pa...
  - crooked-v 6y ago
    That has nothing to do with opt-in or opt-out, just the incompetence of a specific hospital. It's also an article from 2013.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      It is related to opt out because now you have to opt out to avoid this. Also not sure why you make it seem like 2013 is the middle ages or something.
      - crooked-v 6y ago
        > now you have to opt out to avoid this There are many more things than organ removal done to dead bodies that would still kill a mistaken-as-dead person extremely dead, just slightly later in the process.
- autokad 6y ago
  dude, people literally wake up in morgues. if there was a list of most certain things in the universe, the answer being > 0 is on that list You could argue, the number is so low the benefits outweighs the costs, but that's not your stance. Fact, its > 0.
hbosch 6y ago
Is this an honest concern of yours? Do you feel like there is a significant amount of people dying because someone has decided to harvest the vital organs of someone still alive?
- M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
  significant = n>0
  - tyre 6y ago
    That's not the measure of significance. If that's the measure of significance, we should never do anything ever. There are risks in cars, airplanes, shaving getting out of bed, not getting out of bed, eating too much or too little, etc. People choke on food occasionally. Should we not eat? No, that's silly.
    - cameronbrown 6y ago
      I mean, it's important to me. Enough people will be thinking the same thing.
    - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
      All of those are self-induced, unlike someone harvesting your organs such as the example story that the other commenter posted. Additionally, I tend to think that doctors do not serve our best interest and instead typically follow common or outdated practices. re: newborn circumcision, which I see as one of the most heinous acts that we still perform in the United States and allow in Europe because of ‘religious tolerance’ I can anticipate being called an antivaxxer, so I want to answer that as well. I’m not an antivaxxer by any means, but I also don’t think pumping your child with at least 7 doses of pathogens before they’re 6 months out isn’t a good thing either. I’d prefer to wait until they’re a bit older or to have longer wait times between each shot. I think this is something that also doesn’t get enough discourse because we hail doctors as all-knowing rather than viewing them with the same skepticism as other fields. Just as a side note, those who score highest on graduate exams such as the GRE are the physicists and mathematicians. Doctors are quite low. It may suggest something about their innate ability, yet we still lionize them.
baobabKoodaa 6y ago
England is not China.
elevation 6y ago
For a take on the overall system of organ donation, science reporter Dick Teresi's book [0] covers the history of the medical definition of death, the development of organ transfer surgeries, and the subsequent developments rubrics for organ donation candidates and legal death at a biological point before cell death. He interviews medical staff and presents what I took as a key point for advocacy: that organ donors should be administered Fentanyl before extraction to prevent the documented discomfort responses that some beating heart cadavers exhibit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/The-Undead-Dick-Teresi-audiobook/dp/B007JQN99W/ https://www.amazon.com/The-Undead-Dick-Teresi-audiobook/dp/B...
m0xte 6y ago
This is a very very valid concern so I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. It does happen and from a lot of experience over the last 25 years of dealing with quite frankly utter incompetence that nearly killed two members of my family from the NHS, I don’t trust there to be safeguards or procedure in place or for it to be applied to make this decision. Thus I will opt out.

How many people will die because their organs get preserved before they actually die?

jjoonathan 6y ago

Ooh, I know the answer to this one: zero.

ummonk 6y ago
Meanwhile downthread we have this link where had the patient been slower to recover she would have been killed by organ harvesting. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-errors-lead-to-dead-patient-opening-eyes-during-organ-harvesting/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-errors-lead-to-dead-pa...
- crooked-v 6y ago
  That has nothing to do with opt-in or opt-out, just the incompetence of a specific hospital. It's also an article from 2013.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    It is related to opt out because now you have to opt out to avoid this. Also not sure why you make it seem like 2013 is the middle ages or something.
    - crooked-v 6y ago
      > now you have to opt out to avoid this There are many more things than organ removal done to dead bodies that would still kill a mistaken-as-dead person extremely dead, just slightly later in the process.
autokad 6y ago
dude, people literally wake up in morgues. if there was a list of most certain things in the universe, the answer being > 0 is on that list You could argue, the number is so low the benefits outweighs the costs, but that's not your stance. Fact, its > 0.

hbosch 6y ago

Is this an honest concern of yours? Do you feel like there is a significant amount of people dying because someone has decided to harvest the vital organs of someone still alive?

M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
significant = n>0
- tyre 6y ago
  That's not the measure of significance. If that's the measure of significance, we should never do anything ever. There are risks in cars, airplanes, shaving getting out of bed, not getting out of bed, eating too much or too little, etc. People choke on food occasionally. Should we not eat? No, that's silly.
  - cameronbrown 6y ago
    I mean, it's important to me. Enough people will be thinking the same thing.
  - M5x7wI3CmbEem10 6y ago
    All of those are self-induced, unlike someone harvesting your organs such as the example story that the other commenter posted. Additionally, I tend to think that doctors do not serve our best interest and instead typically follow common or outdated practices. re: newborn circumcision, which I see as one of the most heinous acts that we still perform in the United States and allow in Europe because of ‘religious tolerance’ I can anticipate being called an antivaxxer, so I want to answer that as well. I’m not an antivaxxer by any means, but I also don’t think pumping your child with at least 7 doses of pathogens before they’re 6 months out isn’t a good thing either. I’d prefer to wait until they’re a bit older or to have longer wait times between each shot. I think this is something that also doesn’t get enough discourse because we hail doctors as all-knowing rather than viewing them with the same skepticism as other fields. Just as a side note, those who score highest on graduate exams such as the GRE are the physicists and mathematicians. Doctors are quite low. It may suggest something about their innate ability, yet we still lionize them.

baobabKoodaa 6y ago

England is not China.

elevation 6y ago

For a take on the overall system of organ donation, science reporter Dick Teresi's book [0] covers the history of the medical definition of death, the development of organ transfer surgeries, and the subsequent developments rubrics for organ donation candidates and legal death at a biological point before cell death. He interviews medical staff and presents what I took as a key point for advocacy: that organ donors should be administered Fentanyl before extraction to prevent the documented discomfort responses that some beating heart cadavers exhibit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/The-Undead-Dick-Teresi-audiobook/dp/B007JQN99W/ https://www.amazon.com/The-Undead-Dick-Teresi-audiobook/dp/B...

m0xte 6y ago

This is a very very valid concern so I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. It does happen and from a lot of experience over the last 25 years of dealing with quite frankly utter incompetence that nearly killed two members of my family from the NHS, I don’t trust there to be safeguards or procedure in place or for it to be applied to make this decision. Thus I will opt out.