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There's a huge trade-off that you're missing. Fertility drops rapidly in your 30s, especially for women. I'm middle aged and know many women who waited but we

There's a huge trade-off that you're missing. Fertility drops rapidly in your 30s, especially for women. I'm middle aged and know many women who waited but were unable to conceive.

thisisnico 6y ago
It's still doable with enough effort. My best friend at 32 was able to conceive even with medical issues that would make it near impossible. It took 2 years but it happened.
- 1123581321 6y ago
  It is not certain. You can evaluate odds using tools like https://www.sartcorsonline.com/predictor/patient https://www.sartcorsonline.com/predictor/patient Keep in mind that most women will not undergo an infinite number of treatment cycles, even if they can afford it.
- gfxgirl 6y ago
  Your anecdote does not prove that effort is what's required. 32 is still a good age but as the numbers go up effort is not what makes this happen. It's luck and the success stories you hear are entirely the lucky few
scottLobster 6y ago
Define "waited" https://www.babycenter.com/0_age-and-fertility-getting-pregnant-in-your-30s_1494695.bc https://www.babycenter.com/0_age-and-fertility-getting-pregn... "Every study you read or expert you consult will agree that 35 is a milestone for women when it comes to having children. In your early 30s, your chances of getting pregnant are only slightly lower than in your late 20s, and your risk of having a miscarriage or a baby with Down syndrome is only slightly higher. But at 35, that decline in fertility begins to accelerate." Sure it might take more effort than say mid-twenties, fertility tracking/treatments, etc. But it can be done. And before 35 is certainly doable. If there's one thing I'm grateful to my parents for it's my education. Life in the 21st century requires much higher complexity to achieve similar economic/social success to previous generations, and not just on the technological front. Those with the tools to solve complex problems will do fine, those who lack said tools are going to be bitterly disappointed across most aspects of life, unless we somehow bring back unskilled labor as a middle class profession.
warranty 6y ago
That’s a great thing. All women should have the freedom to enjoy their lives without getting anchored to a child.
sershe 6y ago
Couldn't one adopt and have the same experience?
- toasterlovin 6y ago
  Nope. Most people will never care about someone else’s child the way they’ll care about their own flesh and blood.
  - cmendel 6y ago
    [citation needed]
    - haihaibye 6y ago
      “Daly and Wilson found stepparenthood is the strongest risk factor for child abuse ever identified..a stepparent is 40-100 times more likely to kill a young child, even when confounding factors— poverty, mother’s age, traits of people who tend to remarry—are taken into account" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/816602.Homicide https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/816602.Homicide
      - cmendel 6y ago
        Okay? That doesn't really support toasterlovin's claim that: >Nope. Most people will never care about someone else’s child the way they’ll care about their own flesh and blood. Stepparenthood implies a myriad of confounding factors, not the least of which are, a) death of a parent or b) Divorce. Upon further investigation, the link you posted does not contain the quote you posted, nor does searching the quoted text show return any results on either DuckDuckGo or Google. It is possible that this is a typographical error. I do want to point that EvoPsych is a bit iffy as far as fields go. See [1] if you're curious. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#Reception_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#Recept...
        haihaibye 6y ago
asdff 6y ago
You can freeze your gametes. Probably a good idea to do now, male and female.

There's a huge trade-off that you're missing. Fertility drops rapidly in your 30s, especially for women. I'm middle aged and know many women who waited but were unable to conceive.

thisisnico 6y ago

It's still doable with enough effort. My best friend at 32 was able to conceive even with medical issues that would make it near impossible. It took 2 years but it happened.

1123581321 6y ago
It is not certain. You can evaluate odds using tools like https://www.sartcorsonline.com/predictor/patient https://www.sartcorsonline.com/predictor/patient Keep in mind that most women will not undergo an infinite number of treatment cycles, even if they can afford it.
gfxgirl 6y ago
Your anecdote does not prove that effort is what's required. 32 is still a good age but as the numbers go up effort is not what makes this happen. It's luck and the success stories you hear are entirely the lucky few

scottLobster 6y ago

Define "waited" https://www.babycenter.com/0_age-and-fertility-getting-pregnant-in-your-30s_1494695.bc https://www.babycenter.com/0_age-and-fertility-getting-pregn... "Every study you read or expert you consult will agree that 35 is a milestone for women when it comes to having children. In your early 30s, your chances of getting pregnant are only slightly lower than in your late 20s, and your risk of having a miscarriage or a baby with Down syndrome is only slightly higher. But at 35, that decline in fertility begins to accelerate." Sure it might take more effort than say mid-twenties, fertility tracking/treatments, etc. But it can be done. And before 35 is certainly doable. If there's one thing I'm grateful to my parents for it's my education. Life in the 21st century requires much higher complexity to achieve similar economic/social success to previous generations, and not just on the technological front. Those with the tools to solve complex problems will do fine, those who lack said tools are going to be bitterly disappointed across most aspects of life, unless we somehow bring back unskilled labor as a middle class profession.

warranty 6y ago

That’s a great thing. All women should have the freedom to enjoy their lives without getting anchored to a child.

sershe 6y ago

Couldn't one adopt and have the same experience?

toasterlovin 6y ago
Nope. Most people will never care about someone else’s child the way they’ll care about their own flesh and blood.
- cmendel 6y ago
  [citation needed]
  - haihaibye 6y ago
    “Daly and Wilson found stepparenthood is the strongest risk factor for child abuse ever identified..a stepparent is 40-100 times more likely to kill a young child, even when confounding factors— poverty, mother’s age, traits of people who tend to remarry—are taken into account" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/816602.Homicide https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/816602.Homicide
    - cmendel 6y ago
      Okay? That doesn't really support toasterlovin's claim that: >Nope. Most people will never care about someone else’s child the way they’ll care about their own flesh and blood. Stepparenthood implies a myriad of confounding factors, not the least of which are, a) death of a parent or b) Divorce. Upon further investigation, the link you posted does not contain the quote you posted, nor does searching the quoted text show return any results on either DuckDuckGo or Google. It is possible that this is a typographical error. I do want to point that EvoPsych is a bit iffy as far as fields go. See [1] if you're curious. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#Reception_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#Recept...
      - haihaibye 6y ago

asdff 6y ago

You can freeze your gametes. Probably a good idea to do now, male and female.