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Maybe smarter people (Zizek?) have already talked about this, but for me the current global political compass is very weird. I consider myself a hard-leftist an
by cambalache 6y ago
Maybe smarter people (Zizek?) have already talked about this, but for me the current global political compass is very weird. I consider myself a hard-leftist and yet somehow I sometimes feel ideologically closer, or at least not so estranged from your salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter than to the current modern western progressives, or what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne socialists. For me, at least, using my conspiracy hat this is a big big victory for the dominant class, because the existent cries for stricter corporate oversee, dismantling of the lobbying system , unjust labor conditions are totally drowned in a sea of political correctness, in which many of the issues are less important. Many people counter-argue saying that all injustices are worth to be talking about, and I of course agree, but not to the expense of the most important ones, and even less to the expense of basic issues like freedom of speech and equality before the law. The same people who cheer and request the banning of all platforms for their political enemies are scandalized if the workers demographics of any "chic" industry or company does not match exactly their perceived ideal.
- samastur 6y agoThis feeling of closeness is not new (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory)
- cambalache 6y agoNice try, but no. I would say it is more an orthogonal thing. Most of the worries of the common folk(left and right leaning) are not shared by the vocal pieces of the progressive movement.
- samastur 6y agoNice try? Look, mate, I intentionally only provided a reference to show that the idea of commonality between hard-left and hard-right is not a new one without going into the correctness of it or if it is the same as what you feel. My point is that it is not new and not weird. It is not even only an idea, as one can already observe both sides cooperating on some issues in Europe. Apparently my bland non-committal comment was already provocative enough to get down-voted. I don't have an inclination to debate it further as both of your comments are peppered with descriptions (salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter, common folk...) that suggest this would unlikely be fruitful.
- perilunar 6y agoThe one dimensional left-right spectrum is clearly inadequate, as there are many more axes. 2D maps are more useful (e.g. the Pournelle and Nolan Charts) but still a bit simplistic.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago> Zizek 50% of what he says is him talking out of his ass. > what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne socialists. For me, at least, using my conspiracy hat this is a big big victory for the dominant class, because the existent cries for stricter corporate oversee, dismantling of the lobbying system , unjust labor conditions are totally drowned in a sea of political correctness Absolutely. That's the point. Talk a big game about tolerance and blowing the progressive dog whistles... but keep data mining the fuck out of people and racking up insane profits.
- commandlinefan 6y agoThis possibility seems lost on far too many people: if they can do it to him, they can do it to you, too.
- raxxorrax 6y agoI doubt this is just your perception and companies notice it too and are already trying to leverage the desires for indiction.