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Regarding point 1, the article has been updated to reflect that Spotify is holding Rogan to their content policy. This content policy prohibits "Hate Content"

by slg 6y ago

Regarding point 1, the article has been updated to reflect that Spotify is holding Rogan to their content policy. This content policy prohibits "Hate Content" [1]. By any mainstream definition that would include Alex Jones and potentially other guests. Some people would even say that applies to Rogan himself for his comments about transgender people. Unless Rogan makes changes to his show or his booking, it is only a matter of time until this becomes a big issue for him and Spotify. [1] - https://artists.spotify.com/faq/music#what-content-is-prohibited-on-spotify https://artists.spotify.com/faq/music#what-content-is-prohib...

roenxi 6y ago
> By any mainstream definition... Rogan has millions of downloads month and had at least one presidential candidate appear for an interview. Joe is one of the people who sets the mainstream definition.
- 2019-nCoV 6y ago
  Alex Jones has been on JRE multiple times in the past. Will he be allowed to return under the Spotify banner?
- slg 6y ago
  Joe Rogan doesn't move culture by himself. It doesn't matter how many presidential candidates he talks to, he has had multiple guests on his show that have already been kicked off mainstream platforms like Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook. I guarantee there will be controversy for Spotify if Rogan continues to have on this type of guest in the future.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    There will surely be controversy for Spotify now, given that Rogan has had such guests in the past. I could be overly optimistic, but I would guess that means that people at Spotify have considered the issue and decided they're okay with it. (And I'm sure you know this, but I think we should be explicit about it in this context: Joe Rogan is extraordinarily popular, with JRE being one of the most followed podcasts in the country. He's not some niche voice that Spotify could have failed to do due diligence on or silence without expecting blowback.)
  - fewfewf 6y ago
    Uhh... no. The reality is YouTube, Twitter and Facebook's censorship do not actually line up with mainstream. People _know_ Alex Jokes is mental, but they still want to hear him talk.
    - slg 6y ago
      >The poll showed 61 percent of registered voters surveyed believed Jones, who spreads unfounded conspiracy theories through his radio show Infowars, should be banned from the sites of tech companies https://thehill.com/homenews/media/403772-majority-of-americans-believe-alex-jones-should-be-banned-from-social-media https://thehill.com/homenews/media/403772-majority-of-americ...
  - stOneskull 6y ago
    if they try and control who he can have on and what they talk about, i hope rogan gives them a good 'fuck you!'
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    Nonsense. Nobody cares about the fact that he is willing to have a conversation with just about anyone, except the whiny cancel culture twitter mob. We need more conversations with people we don’t (think we) like.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      His conversations are like empty calories. No substance. No hard questions. 100% ego stroking. His podcast is basically an advertorial. It’s painful to watch.
      - afiori 6y ago
        His podcast is about getting to know the guests, it is not meant to be an adversarial interview.
        rorykoehler 6y ago
        Hard questions are how you get to know someone.
        afiori 6y ago
        There many ways to do that, the format Rogan chose is to try and let each guest feel at ease and let them properly explain their stances. Rogan's role is then to play the audience role in the conversation, asking question/clarifications. What rogan usually does not do for example is to bring up controversies about his guests.
        manigandham 6y ago
        Letting them talk for hours also works.
      - blaser-waffle 6y ago
        And what of it? JRE has routinely had both sides of debates on -- equal opportunity ego stroking.
r618 6y ago
> ...applies to Rogan himself for his comments about transgender people. no the fact that you even brought this up is indication enough of failed widespread misconception about this; he clarified this few times since then and his original comment was aimed at transgender men competing with women it was the most rational comment regarding that situation and it makes this whole "hateful comments about transgender people" pretty ironic and untrue Rogan himself is pretty reasonable chap I'm sure he will cope with whatever terms spotify might throw his way and apparently figured this might work, so far at least I personally am not happy about this cause who doesn't like youtube videos
jessaustin 6y ago
Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.
- 2019-nCoV 6y ago
  The risk has never been that Rogan is holding reprehensible views. It's that those masquerading as progressive have a penchant for misconstruing in the most creative ways: https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1220513471995031554 https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1220513471995031554
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I mean, this isn't quite a misconstrual. The author of this tweet just comes from a bizarre subculture where "puberty blockers for kids" is not only good policy but self-evidently right. I'm sure it's legitimately challenging for her to understand what Rogan is saying - such a large inferential gap is hard to cross.
- slg 6y ago
  You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to compete in sports. It seems like he wants transgender people out of sports completely. In my opinion, the whole discussion of transgender people in sports is a proxy war for their role in society as a whole. Transgender people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics and most American sports (at least at the college level) for roughly a decade if not longer. It is still extremely rare for a transgender woman to dominate other woman in any of these sporting events. It just doesn't seem like a possibility worth focusing on when compared to the downside of further marginalizing the transgender community at large by singling them out for harsher treatment.
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shoulderfake 6y ago
I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders
- mattcaldwell 6y ago
  He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.
  - CyberDildonics 6y ago
    He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.
    - UncleMeat 6y ago
      So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.
      - RaleyField 6y ago
        That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".
        UncleMeat 6y ago
        He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia. He was rightly criticized for saying this.
        6y ago
CyberDildonics 6y ago
No reasonable person would accuse Joe Rogan of "Hate Content". He disagreed with an actual instance of a recently transitioned transgender woman fighting women in MMA. This is the definition of pragmatic. That person can fight men or not fight. This is not discrimination, it is protecting fighters as much as possible in a brutal and extreme sport.
- mattcaldwell 6y ago
  Disagreeing is fine, even though the science currently seems to support the current regulations. I won't take a side there. However, referring to Fallon Fox as "a man" is transphobic and borderline hate speech. I believe he did apologize for this, but do your research.
  - CyberDildonics 6y ago
    I saw it live. I remember it being crystal clear that he was talking about the context of someone's physical attributes when they are fighting. Maybe you should actually listen to someone before you call what they say "transphobic and borderline hate speech".
    - mattcaldwell 6y ago
      I did listen and have watched it more than once. I understand the context, but at the very least, he's being a dick. And he shouldn't be surprised when his words are interpreted in that way. It's a vulnerable population and there are better ways to talk about sensitive issues like that.
      - CyberDildonics 6y ago
        Before you just said it was "transphobic and borderline hate speech". Now you are saying he was being a dick, which would make a lot of sense if he wasn't talking about someone literally using confusion of how to handle transgender athletes to brutalize women. Do you understand that this person was beating women unconscious and broke a woman's skull in 2014? Fallon Fox had a daughter, joined the navy, worked as a truck driver, transitioned, and fought in MMA without disclosing her past. This person is doing a huge disservice to transgender people.

by slg 6y ago

roenxi 6y ago

> By any mainstream definition... Rogan has millions of downloads month and had at least one presidential candidate appear for an interview. Joe is one of the people who sets the mainstream definition.

2019-nCoV 6y ago
Alex Jones has been on JRE multiple times in the past. Will he be allowed to return under the Spotify banner?
slg 6y ago
Joe Rogan doesn't move culture by himself. It doesn't matter how many presidential candidates he talks to, he has had multiple guests on his show that have already been kicked off mainstream platforms like Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook. I guarantee there will be controversy for Spotify if Rogan continues to have on this type of guest in the future.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  There will surely be controversy for Spotify now, given that Rogan has had such guests in the past. I could be overly optimistic, but I would guess that means that people at Spotify have considered the issue and decided they're okay with it. (And I'm sure you know this, but I think we should be explicit about it in this context: Joe Rogan is extraordinarily popular, with JRE being one of the most followed podcasts in the country. He's not some niche voice that Spotify could have failed to do due diligence on or silence without expecting blowback.)
- fewfewf 6y ago
  Uhh... no. The reality is YouTube, Twitter and Facebook's censorship do not actually line up with mainstream. People _know_ Alex Jokes is mental, but they still want to hear him talk.
  - slg 6y ago
    >The poll showed 61 percent of registered voters surveyed believed Jones, who spreads unfounded conspiracy theories through his radio show Infowars, should be banned from the sites of tech companies https://thehill.com/homenews/media/403772-majority-of-americans-believe-alex-jones-should-be-banned-from-social-media https://thehill.com/homenews/media/403772-majority-of-americ...
- stOneskull 6y ago
  if they try and control who he can have on and what they talk about, i hope rogan gives them a good 'fuck you!'
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Nonsense. Nobody cares about the fact that he is willing to have a conversation with just about anyone, except the whiny cancel culture twitter mob. We need more conversations with people we don’t (think we) like.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    His conversations are like empty calories. No substance. No hard questions. 100% ego stroking. His podcast is basically an advertorial. It’s painful to watch.
    - afiori 6y ago
      His podcast is about getting to know the guests, it is not meant to be an adversarial interview.
      - rorykoehler 6y ago
        Hard questions are how you get to know someone.
        afiori 6y ago
        There many ways to do that, the format Rogan chose is to try and let each guest feel at ease and let them properly explain their stances. Rogan's role is then to play the audience role in the conversation, asking question/clarifications. What rogan usually does not do for example is to bring up controversies about his guests.
        manigandham 6y ago
        Letting them talk for hours also works.
    - blaser-waffle 6y ago
      And what of it? JRE has routinely had both sides of debates on -- equal opportunity ego stroking.

r618 6y ago

> ...applies to Rogan himself for his comments about transgender people. no the fact that you even brought this up is indication enough of failed widespread misconception about this; he clarified this few times since then and his original comment was aimed at transgender men competing with women it was the most rational comment regarding that situation and it makes this whole "hateful comments about transgender people" pretty ironic and untrue Rogan himself is pretty reasonable chap I'm sure he will cope with whatever terms spotify might throw his way and apparently figured this might work, so far at least I personally am not happy about this cause who doesn't like youtube videos

jessaustin 6y ago

Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

2019-nCoV 6y ago
The risk has never been that Rogan is holding reprehensible views. It's that those masquerading as progressive have a penchant for misconstruing in the most creative ways: https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1220513471995031554 https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1220513471995031554
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I mean, this isn't quite a misconstrual. The author of this tweet just comes from a bizarre subculture where "puberty blockers for kids" is not only good policy but self-evidently right. I'm sure it's legitimately challenging for her to understand what Rogan is saying - such a large inferential gap is hard to cross.
slg 6y ago
You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to compete in sports. It seems like he wants transgender people out of sports completely. In my opinion, the whole discussion of transgender people in sports is a proxy war for their role in society as a whole. Transgender people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics and most American sports (at least at the college level) for roughly a decade if not longer. It is still extremely rare for a transgender woman to dominate other woman in any of these sporting events. It just doesn't seem like a possibility worth focusing on when compared to the downside of further marginalizing the transgender community at large by singling them out for harsher treatment.

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shoulderfake 6y ago

I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

mattcaldwell 6y ago
He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.
    - RaleyField 6y ago
      That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".
      - UncleMeat 6y ago
        He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia. He was rightly criticized for saying this.
        6y ago

CyberDildonics 6y ago

No reasonable person would accuse Joe Rogan of "Hate Content". He disagreed with an actual instance of a recently transitioned transgender woman fighting women in MMA. This is the definition of pragmatic. That person can fight men or not fight. This is not discrimination, it is protecting fighters as much as possible in a brutal and extreme sport.

mattcaldwell 6y ago
Disagreeing is fine, even though the science currently seems to support the current regulations. I won't take a side there. However, referring to Fallon Fox as "a man" is transphobic and borderline hate speech. I believe he did apologize for this, but do your research.
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  I saw it live. I remember it being crystal clear that he was talking about the context of someone's physical attributes when they are fighting. Maybe you should actually listen to someone before you call what they say "transphobic and borderline hate speech".
  - mattcaldwell 6y ago
    I did listen and have watched it more than once. I understand the context, but at the very least, he's being a dick. And he shouldn't be surprised when his words are interpreted in that way. It's a vulnerable population and there are better ways to talk about sensitive issues like that.
    - CyberDildonics 6y ago
      Before you just said it was "transphobic and borderline hate speech". Now you are saying he was being a dick, which would make a lot of sense if he wasn't talking about someone literally using confusion of how to handle transgender athletes to brutalize women. Do you understand that this person was beating women unconscious and broke a woman's skull in 2014? Fallon Fox had a daughter, joined the navy, worked as a truck driver, transitioned, and fought in MMA without disclosing her past. This person is doing a huge disservice to transgender people.