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US is no different from China it seems.

BLKNSLVR 6y ago
I was thinking of posting the same thing, but worried about the inevitable ensuing what-about-ism arguments. But, yes, this is a yet another step away from the transparency that underpins democracy and leads to 'reality is as the nation state allows it'. It only furthers the populace's depth of under- and mis-education about anything that may be of relevance to the state of the country / world. It will only serve to pour fuel on conspiracy theories and fake news that are already burning out of control. Transparency is a requirement of democracy. Australia has been increasingly legislating against whistleblowers and real (no-real-Scotsman arguments aside) journalism for a few years now. The world was already heading this way, and it only seems to be gaining momentum, and this time the "free, democratic West" are right there along for the ride instead of conscripting their populace against the threat. We will beat China at their own game! (and in doing so lose ourselves entirely). (Yes, this is a big dramatic post over a small thing, but it feels like the timing of this small thing is as a result of the looming big thing: the US Presidential elections).
gwd 6y ago
There is always a temptation for people in power to "massage the facts" (for various levels of "massage") to make themselves look good. One difference between the US and China is that we have the freedom to call it out and discuss it. Hopefully a second difference is that we'll have the political will to fire the people who asked to do the "massaging" -- whether that will happen or not remains to be seen.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  What difference does "the freedom to discuss it" make if it has no effect on policy?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Public discussions inherently have an effect on policy. That's why China censors so extensively. The reason they can apply strict lockdowns to cities with double-digit case counts is that their citizens can't have discussions about "hey this seems an overreaction".
ninkendo 6y ago
Yeah, sure. I can’t think of a single way in which they’re different either.
pgwhalen 6y ago
I know many others are thinking it, so I'll be the one to say it. Obviously the US is different from China. In China, this women would be dead and no one would know her name, or she wouldn't have spoken up in the first place because of that risk. In the US, she proudly spoke out without fear of government repercussion, and the commenters on this website proudly support her also without fear of repercussion.
gccxsse 6y ago
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I was thinking of posting the same thing, but worried about the inevitable ensuing what-about-ism arguments. But, yes, this is a yet another step away from the transparency that underpins democracy and leads to 'reality is as the nation state allows it'. It only furthers the populace's depth of under- and mis-education about anything that may be of relevance to the state of the country / world. It will only serve to pour fuel on conspiracy theories and fake news that are already burning out of control. Transparency is a requirement of democracy. Australia has been increasingly legislating against whistleblowers and real (no-real-Scotsman arguments aside) journalism for a few years now. The world was already heading this way, and it only seems to be gaining momentum, and this time the "free, democratic West" are right there along for the ride instead of conscripting their populace against the threat. We will beat China at their own game! (and in doing so lose ourselves entirely). (Yes, this is a big dramatic post over a small thing, but it feels like the timing of this small thing is as a result of the looming big thing: the US Presidential elections).

gwd 6y ago

There is always a temptation for people in power to "massage the facts" (for various levels of "massage") to make themselves look good. One difference between the US and China is that we have the freedom to call it out and discuss it. Hopefully a second difference is that we'll have the political will to fire the people who asked to do the "massaging" -- whether that will happen or not remains to be seen.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
What difference does "the freedom to discuss it" make if it has no effect on policy?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Public discussions inherently have an effect on policy. That's why China censors so extensively. The reason they can apply strict lockdowns to cities with double-digit case counts is that their citizens can't have discussions about "hey this seems an overreaction".

ninkendo 6y ago

Yeah, sure. I can’t think of a single way in which they’re different either.

pgwhalen 6y ago

I know many others are thinking it, so I'll be the one to say it. Obviously the US is different from China. In China, this women would be dead and no one would know her name, or she wouldn't have spoken up in the first place because of that risk. In the US, she proudly spoke out without fear of government repercussion, and the commenters on this website proudly support her also without fear of repercussion.

gccxsse 6y ago

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