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It really is startling how reviled this sort of comment tends to be, despite the overarching trend of Republican leadership to systemically misrepresent and fal
by vyhd 6y ago
It really is startling how reviled this sort of comment tends to be, despite the overarching trend of Republican leadership to systemically misrepresent and falsify data to support their views.
The next time Democrats pull these shenanigans, name and shame them. Both-sides-ism only obscures the bad actors that should be directly pressured to do better.
- icelancer 6y agoDeleting due to HN hivemind.
- aaronbrethorst 6y agoThat's just, like, your opinion, man. Here's what several news organizations have to say about Ron DeSantis (R-FL): "Stop hiding true COVID-19 stats, Gov. DeSantis. Our lives are still at risk" — https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557271.html https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557... "Florida avoided COVID-19 catastrophe by ignoring DeSantis, Trump" — https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-schultz-governor-ron-desantis-public-trust-20200512-llb6fmxjwvg6pm3alyhghl7wiu-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-sc... "[Florida] blocked medical examiners from making public their own fatality counts and released a list of those deaths last week only after redacting key information" — https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/does-florida-gov-ron-desantis-know-what-hes-doing-were-about-to-find-out/2020/05/08/8bf6537c-9135-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/does-florida-gov-ro... Edit: the Cuomo section is an edit made after I posted this, as is the [0] addendum
- icelancer 6y agoDeleting due to HN hivemind.
- aaronbrethorst 6y agoTrue, but you did bothsides it without offering any examples to back up your opinion.
- icelancer 6y agoThe entire thing about Inslee has links and references backing up why I think he is a poor leader who has a Democrat branding. Well, one of the many reasons I think he's a poor governor.
- aaronbrethorst 6y agoI think he is a poor leader who has a Democrat branding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)
- icelancer 6y agoNot sure your point. I have no problem with Democrats. I'll likely vote for another one this presidential election. The parent comment asked for Democrat examples. I gave two - one good, one poor.
- NotSammyHagar 6y agoIf he hadn't pushed to shut down the state in early March, when Washington state was the worst outbreak by far in the nation we'd have been like other states that it has run away in. Instead we were saved. Washington could have had deaths like Michigan. Remember we were worse than everywhere else here. I thought Inslee took too long to shut down the state.
- sterlind 6y agoI was prepared to leave Washington after the cases started piling on and the national guard started assembling a field hospital a couple miles away from me. Then somehow -- I'm still not sure if it was Stay Home Stay Safe or what -- the ERs stopped being flooded, the hospital was packed up without being needed, and most of the people outside started wearing homemade masks and distancing. I'm not home free but I can trust most of the people outside to wear masks and socially distance, and I know the ERs will be available if I get sick (I have a rare disease and my body is weak.) I'm not sure if it's Inslee's doing but I feel much safer here than home (Georgia.)
- benignslime 6y agoPeople are always harder on Democrats, as if a Republican putting on their pants in the morning is enough of an accomplishment.
- vyhd 6y agoIs this supposed to be sarcasm? A whistleblower sounding the alarm on data falsification is in no way comparable to a high-level rollup of data which, by the way, is (at most) a few clicks away on that same site.
- icelancer 6y ago>> high-level rollup of data which, by the way, is (at most) a few clicks away on that same site. It isn't. References to "data" are provided, no models or tabular data / metric-driven formulas are. I have a state information freedom request processing. Compare NY to WA and tell me if you really think the data is comparable. As for the data falsification claim, I have no idea why Inslee makes his decisions or when the phases will start based on metrics/numbers. It's entirely up to him and his mandate. That's not falsification, but it sure ain't transparent government or any sort of support for small businesses suffering from extended shutdown orders with no insight on the process.
- j88439h84 6y agoThis might help? https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2020COVID19/DataDashboard https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2...
- icelancer 6y agoThis does not look remotely like NY state's or have metrics/thresholds/categories. (I am familiar with it.) From this data, what algorithms/models does Inslee plug it into? What are acceptable levels of infection/community spread/ICU beds? Cuomo is very transparent about the 2nd question, which is enough for me given a two month window of time to work on it.
- labster 6y agoYou’re right. Forcing officials to lie to the public is comparable to shitty web design. There’s probably some secret collaboration between the State of Washington, Atlassian Jira, vaccine companies, and MySpace behind the whole thing.
- oefrha 6y ago> zero metrics behind them Um, what? You just linked to a random non-(data) dashboard page and decided that metrics aren’t published? When I visit https://www.doh.wa.gov/ https://www.doh.wa.gov/, I see a banner that links to https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus, which in turn prominently links to the actual dashboard https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2020COVID19/DataDashboard https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2... The aforementioned page also has simple data summary tables https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus#CovidDataTables https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus#CovidDataTabl... I can’t even find that random page you linked to without digging. To be clear I’m very tired of partisan bullshit and has no dog in the fight, and there may be other valid criticisms, not to mention it’s not at all clear the published data is accurate (given earlier scandals around care homes), but this particular criticism is very misleading.
- icelancer 6y agoDeleting due to HN hivemind.
- oefrha 6y agoBecause risk assessment is often way more complex than a couple of flat metrics? Of course, flat and easily understandable (by laypeople) metrics are good for scoring points and making people believe they’re in the know, but it’s not at all clear to me that 7/7 over a bunch of flat metrics with arbitrary thresholds indicates “safe for reopening”. Again, to be clear, I’m personally on the caution side, not the reopening side.
- icelancer 6y agoDeleting due to HN hivemind.
- jwilber 6y agoHow you can compare a dashboard that was so blatantly false it warranted a public-apology to a dashboard that DOES show sources And presents the info straightforward is beyond me. If your point is about phases, maybe re-word your initial comment to make that clear.
- fullstoptobs 6y agoLet's be very clear. Your inability to navigate the WA website, and your demands that someone walk you through every bit of their analysis and models are not even remotely in the same realm as rearranging time-series data out of order to mislead people into thinking cases were declining. https://www.vox.com/covid-19-coronavirus-us-response-trump/2020/5/18/21262265/georgia-covid-19-cases-declining-reopening https://www.vox.com/covid-19-coronavirus-us-response-trump/2... End of discussion. Stop this false bothsidesism. It's costing tens of thousands of Americans lives.
- NotSammyHagar 6y agoI think that's extremely unfair and misleading. Jay Inslee and Washington state is being extremely clear on showing information on their covid-19 dashboards. They are excellent. He's said that the threshold change is a complicated choice and it's not a simple are we decreasing at a certain rate. That's not an honest appraisal of the situation.
- chrisco255 6y agoThe Democrats just spent 3 years making up a Russian conspiracy theory about the sitting president and they got to dominate headlines and completely absorb the national conversation on this basis.
- vyhd 6y agoWhich one? Can you demonstrate that they were "making it up"? More importantly, can you demonstrate that it has direct relevance to the topic of COVID-19 data massaging under Florida's* Republican state government? If not, this isn't the place. * edited for precision
- Chris2048 6y ago> Can you demonstrate that they were "making it up"? No one can, mind-scanners don't exist yet. But where is the credible evidence of collusion (w/ Russia) that initiated the investigation in the first place? > If not, this isn't the place. Threads go on tangents all the time, I don't see any guideline violation here.
- benignslime 6y agoOooo baby, I love this techno-fascism we got brewing
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y agoA comment from a non-American on the sidelines, who is generally appalled at Trump's sheer incompetence/myopia but otherwise not hugely invested in this: Reading the New York Times recently, I've been struck not only by the amount of sheer bile directed at Trump and Republicans (which I can understand), but a consistent thread of seemingly wanting to make the COVID crisis seem as bad as possible, casting even positive developments in the US in a negative light ("Cases are going down in city X... but how many are not being measured in city Y!?!"). In particular, the necessity of locking down everything forever (and, by extension, loosening lockdown being an unforgivable sin) is starting to take on religious tones, instead of being an extreme but temporary measure grounded in science. Which sounds uncomfortably like a mirror image of what Republicans and the right-wing press are doing ("freedom good, lockdown bad!").
- russellbeattie 6y agoIt really isn't surprising at all actually. There are a huge number of HN commenters who enthusiastically support Trump and his lies because they're right-wing, Ayn Rand-reading libertarians who think they are "winning." They'll downvote or flag any criticism of the Republican party as controversial or overly political. It's been this way for years.
- kyuudou 6y agoI don't support the War part(ies).