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Your cheap Samsung phones are not running open firmware with mainline Linux, nor have hardware kill switches. A PinePhone/Librem 5 will also always be capable

Your cheap Samsung phones are not running open firmware with mainline Linux, nor have hardware kill switches. A PinePhone/Librem 5 will also always be capable of running emacs/golang etc. which is not easily doable on Android if termux isn't possible anymore.

Sebb767 6y ago
A rooted Android will probably still be able to run termux and most other software. But fair point.
Dylan16807 6y ago
> A PinePhone/Librem 5 will also always be capable of running emacs/golang etc. which is not easily doable on Android if termux isn't possible anymore. So can a phone running Lineage. The thing blocking termux is a config file; any phone that isn't locked down can handle it. You're not getting all of the openness for free, but you can get a lot of it for free.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  I think it's important to point out that you'll always rely on proprietary blobs and generally hostile hardware that way. For now it's a config. As these things progress and get more locked down with each release in the name of security, it's going to be harder and harder and I don't want to scramble the moment it is practically impossible. I'd rather push for a free, open, libre hardware now so that the polish is there when there's no alternative.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    > As these things progress and get more locked down with each release in the name of security If that actually happens. I haven't seen any downward trend of LineageOS. I haven't seen any downward trend of Samsung hardware.
    - AsyncAwait 6y ago
      I have certainly seen a much longer lag between a phone release that is not a Pixel and it being rootable+able to run Lineage compared to the Cyanogen days. I've also noticed that nowdays, few phones are able to run more than one newer major Android version ahead because the OEM will simply not release the firmware needed to run newer versions and Lineage doesn't have the capacity to update/release their own firmware rebased against the latest Android, (I am talking about things such as the radio firmware, OnePlus is a famous example I know of).

Sebb767 6y ago

A rooted Android will probably still be able to run termux and most other software. But fair point.

Dylan16807 6y ago

> A PinePhone/Librem 5 will also always be capable of running emacs/golang etc. which is not easily doable on Android if termux isn't possible anymore. So can a phone running Lineage. The thing blocking termux is a config file; any phone that isn't locked down can handle it. You're not getting all of the openness for free, but you can get a lot of it for free.

AsyncAwait 6y ago
I think it's important to point out that you'll always rely on proprietary blobs and generally hostile hardware that way. For now it's a config. As these things progress and get more locked down with each release in the name of security, it's going to be harder and harder and I don't want to scramble the moment it is practically impossible. I'd rather push for a free, open, libre hardware now so that the polish is there when there's no alternative.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  > As these things progress and get more locked down with each release in the name of security If that actually happens. I haven't seen any downward trend of LineageOS. I haven't seen any downward trend of Samsung hardware.
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    I have certainly seen a much longer lag between a phone release that is not a Pixel and it being rootable+able to run Lineage compared to the Cyanogen days. I've also noticed that nowdays, few phones are able to run more than one newer major Android version ahead because the OEM will simply not release the firmware needed to run newer versions and Lineage doesn't have the capacity to update/release their own firmware rebased against the latest Android, (I am talking about things such as the radio firmware, OnePlus is a famous example I know of).