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I think he is saying that because with webapps you have - control over your software and updates - no one can pirate your software/service

ken 6y ago
How do you have more "control over your software" with a web app? With a native app, I can do virtually anything. With a web app, I can really only do what (Google ∩ Apple ∩ Microsoft)'s web browser teams decided to prioritize, and allow, and optimize. As for 'pirating', is that a serious concern these days? I've only ever heard about it being an issue at big companies selling software to other big companies, where it's solved with "license servers".
- hellisothers 6y ago
  I think they mean rapid, continuous deployment. If it’s a web app you can push out changes every day to near universal adoption. With a native app you have to cajole users to update
  - alexgmcm 6y ago
    Also on mobile you are constrained by the app store requirements as well.
  - ken 6y ago
    There are auto-updaters for desktop software, too.
  - rohan1024 6y ago
    This is exactly what I meant.
- ZoomZoomZoom 6y ago
  >> How do you have more "control over your software" with a web app? It means they can break a program I'm using at any moment they wish, even after I paid for it.
- kandeel4411 6y ago
  I think pirating is a serious issue in other countries (i.e mine), I practically never saw anyone actually pay for any office suite, adobe software and some offline games. All of them get pirated and very quickly too.
Memosyne 6y ago
> no one can pirate your software/service Huh? Given how most web applications these days are using client-side rendering there's nothing stopping someone from just downloading all of the frontend assets. You can also connect to a server from your desktop application so I don't understand how desktop makes it easier to pirate anything.
- ssimono 6y ago
  Web applications have lots of essential parts on the server-side even if they do client-side rendering. And each paying user is logged in when using it, so the company can accept/deny requests depending on the user. Proprietary desktop applications are usually downloaded after a payment, and then the full software is available locally. By hacking the security parts of it one can then have a totally free version and distribute it. That's why it is easier to pirate.
  - jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
    Not anymore! Games and even productivity apps are known to be moving small pieces to their servers so that you cannot run the entire application on your own...
  - Memosyne 6y ago
    How does this address my point about being able to connect to a server from your desktop application? Just because historically companies have not deployed their product in such a fashion doesn't mean it isn't technically possible. How do you think social mobile applications work? Have you ever worked on an application that wasn't running in a browser? > That's why it is easier to pirate. There are no technical reasons why a desktop application is inherently easier to pirate. Only implementation details.

ken 6y ago

How do you have more "control over your software" with a web app? With a native app, I can do virtually anything. With a web app, I can really only do what (Google ∩ Apple ∩ Microsoft)'s web browser teams decided to prioritize, and allow, and optimize. As for 'pirating', is that a serious concern these days? I've only ever heard about it being an issue at big companies selling software to other big companies, where it's solved with "license servers".

hellisothers 6y ago
I think they mean rapid, continuous deployment. If it’s a web app you can push out changes every day to near universal adoption. With a native app you have to cajole users to update
- alexgmcm 6y ago
  Also on mobile you are constrained by the app store requirements as well.
- ken 6y ago
  There are auto-updaters for desktop software, too.
- rohan1024 6y ago
  This is exactly what I meant.
ZoomZoomZoom 6y ago
>> How do you have more "control over your software" with a web app? It means they can break a program I'm using at any moment they wish, even after I paid for it.
kandeel4411 6y ago
I think pirating is a serious issue in other countries (i.e mine), I practically never saw anyone actually pay for any office suite, adobe software and some offline games. All of them get pirated and very quickly too.

Memosyne 6y ago

> no one can pirate your software/service Huh? Given how most web applications these days are using client-side rendering there's nothing stopping someone from just downloading all of the frontend assets. You can also connect to a server from your desktop application so I don't understand how desktop makes it easier to pirate anything.

ssimono 6y ago
Web applications have lots of essential parts on the server-side even if they do client-side rendering. And each paying user is logged in when using it, so the company can accept/deny requests depending on the user. Proprietary desktop applications are usually downloaded after a payment, and then the full software is available locally. By hacking the security parts of it one can then have a totally free version and distribute it. That's why it is easier to pirate.
- jfkebwjsbx 6y ago
  Not anymore! Games and even productivity apps are known to be moving small pieces to their servers so that you cannot run the entire application on your own...
- Memosyne 6y ago
  How does this address my point about being able to connect to a server from your desktop application? Just because historically companies have not deployed their product in such a fashion doesn't mean it isn't technically possible. How do you think social mobile applications work? Have you ever worked on an application that wasn't running in a browser? > That's why it is easier to pirate. There are no technical reasons why a desktop application is inherently easier to pirate. Only implementation details.