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> "My problem is the way the US approaches mixed-use continues to be at a 'larger than human' scale." as much as i love mixed-use, this is a fair criticism. be

> "My problem is the way the US approaches mixed-use continues to be at a 'larger than human' scale." as much as i love mixed-use, this is a fair criticism. because of escalating land values (and regulatory costs/uncertainties) in cities, everyone wants to hit a home-run and plays it safe as a result by building hulking superblock developments. there are ways to make those developments human-scale, but that costs more throughout the development cycle, and developers don't see enough return for it, since the effects are long-term, and their financial horizons are shorter-term.

bobthepanda 6y ago
The problem is that US zoning and finance has basically killed off the small upstart developer; think of the general concept of a house flipper, but instead of remodeling the interior they replace one home with two or three smaller homes on the same lot. This still happens on a smaller scale in older urban areas, simply because price per square foot in places like New York make it hard to assemble a full city block unless you have half a billion on hand, and even if you did land parcels don't become available all at once like that. This type of "missing middle" development still happens where I currently live in Seattle to a limited extent, but I would really like to see regulations limiting horizontal massing of individual buildings to prevent this problem.
CBLT 6y ago
I'm not sure that's the problem. I stayed in a mixed-use development in Southern California and the people who lived there straight up didn't visit any of the commercial space. I don't think mixed-use really works on a local scale without the crossover. If the commercial space had even one store that people wanted, like a Trader Joes, it could have worked.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  The Embarcadero Centre is mixed-use and pretty popular./
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  The apartment I rented in LA shared space with a Trader Joe, was across the street from Target and UCLA was a couple blocks away. Super expensive, however.
- clairity 6y ago
  part of that, for LA at least, is that the mixed-use here still requires parking, which is expensive. so it's designed with low commercial square footage to make room for ground-level and above ground parking, which is cheaper than subterranean parking. the commercial space is minimized to a token amount likely to meet the necessary zoning/permitting restrictions to get the benefit of higher floor area ratios (FAR) for the least cost. then the businesses that can fit in the space, given the high rents, aren't nearly as attractive to residents, who are also paying high rents.
- alistairSH 6y ago
  I see this in Reston VA. Real estate prices tend to be high. The mixed use development might have a few fancy restaurants, high-end boutiques, etc - but nothing to fill the daily needs of the residents. The local residents often have to drive to get to a normal grocer or mom & pop retail.

bobthepanda 6y ago

The problem is that US zoning and finance has basically killed off the small upstart developer; think of the general concept of a house flipper, but instead of remodeling the interior they replace one home with two or three smaller homes on the same lot. This still happens on a smaller scale in older urban areas, simply because price per square foot in places like New York make it hard to assemble a full city block unless you have half a billion on hand, and even if you did land parcels don't become available all at once like that. This type of "missing middle" development still happens where I currently live in Seattle to a limited extent, but I would really like to see regulations limiting horizontal massing of individual buildings to prevent this problem.

CBLT 6y ago

I'm not sure that's the problem. I stayed in a mixed-use development in Southern California and the people who lived there straight up didn't visit any of the commercial space. I don't think mixed-use really works on a local scale without the crossover. If the commercial space had even one store that people wanted, like a Trader Joes, it could have worked.

renewiltord 6y ago
The Embarcadero Centre is mixed-use and pretty popular./
seanmcdirmid 6y ago
The apartment I rented in LA shared space with a Trader Joe, was across the street from Target and UCLA was a couple blocks away. Super expensive, however.
clairity 6y ago
part of that, for LA at least, is that the mixed-use here still requires parking, which is expensive. so it's designed with low commercial square footage to make room for ground-level and above ground parking, which is cheaper than subterranean parking. the commercial space is minimized to a token amount likely to meet the necessary zoning/permitting restrictions to get the benefit of higher floor area ratios (FAR) for the least cost. then the businesses that can fit in the space, given the high rents, aren't nearly as attractive to residents, who are also paying high rents.
alistairSH 6y ago
I see this in Reston VA. Real estate prices tend to be high. The mixed use development might have a few fancy restaurants, high-end boutiques, etc - but nothing to fill the daily needs of the residents. The local residents often have to drive to get to a normal grocer or mom & pop retail.