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The problems with Reddit I'd like to add * Bots and sock puppets pushing agendas * Reddit counter culture movements and backlashes. Seems to be bipolar with p

The problems with Reddit I'd like to add * Bots and sock puppets pushing agendas * Reddit counter culture movements and backlashes. Seems to be bipolar with pro China / anti China every day of the week. * Reddit nice guys who have account names like "Iliketitties" or something really depraved. Along with all the other hypocrites * Reddit Admins and big personalities driving content trends on the site e.g. (/u/gallowboob) * Recycling of posts / knowledge, since there are always new people joining. You get things like "TIL that bananas are sterile" trending once every month. Which is frustrating for veteran users * Reddit arm chair generals/economists/politicians. The points system rewards trendy content and doesn't necessarily mean quality. Unlike points in Stackoverflow, there is some degree of confidence in the users competency. * The fact that Reddit is mainly populated with technologically proficient people, who probably have some sort of issue, whether it be mental, psychological. Sure we all suffer from our demons but the amount of stuff I read on there makes me cringe at times. * The "Reddit Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect Sure there are many more that could be extrapolated to any other social network.

Pelic4n 6y ago
Funny to read that on HN.
- fortran77 6y ago
  I nearly spit my coffee out while reading it. And it's already on /r/LOLHackerNews
aea14 6y ago
Nearly every bullet point you mentioned can be sensibly argued regarding Hacker News. Particularly the fourth, sixth, and overwhelmingly the last. I have also seen a regular username here containing “penis” in an intentional fashion and a number of people with clear mental and psychological issues, as well. Perhaps the problem isn’t the specific forum.
- jiggawatts 6y ago
  These issues apply to any internet forum once sufficiently popular. Digg and Slashdot had the same issues, and were slowly strangled by them. The plebs dragged the average down to... well... the average, and then people moved on. Right now YC seems to be the "hip new place to be", but you mark my words, it's going to go down the same path.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    HN has existed since October 6, 2006. It's maintained quality at a higher level, for a longer time, than Slashdot, Kuro5hin, Digg, Reddit, and numerous other fora. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1
    - jiggawatts 6y ago
      That's good to know, and gives me hope, but this trend is generally a function of popularity, not time. Once a decent fraction of the population is on a platform, inevitably it is dragged towards the lowest common denominator. Just recently someone on YC asked about "mind bending books" and the #1 response was Permutation City by Greg Egan. I've read this book, and it was an amazing, nearly life altering experience for me. But lets just say... his style of science fiction is not for everyone, and it's certainly not mainstream. Even in my relatively techy circle of friends, nobody has read any books by Greg Egan. Not one. This indicates to me that the current YC crowd is an extremely narrowly filtered subset of the general population. Recently I've been reading his Orthogonal series about a Universe that has Riemannian spacetime geometry instead of our Lortentzian spacetime. See: https://www.gregegan.net/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html https://www.gregegan.net/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html Can you imagine going to Facebook, Reddit, or even Slashdot and having such books be even in the top 100? The common people upvote Tolkein, Pratchett, and J K Rowling. Notably, even in the early days, Slashdot had... crazies. Conspiracy nuts, creationists, UFO true believers, and the like. I've noticed that YC is one of the few forums where the one or two Creationists present are mercilessly voted down and their arguments are rejected out of hand. Such trolls get no traction here. But recently... there has been an increase in such talk. It's still small, but I've noticed the trend.
GoodJokes 6y ago
The problem with Reddit and HN are the same. People think they are smarter and more knowledgeable than they actually are.
jonfw 6y ago
'The "Reddit Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect' This one is interesting to me. I could certainly be accused of being this guy, you could probably make an argument that I'm being this guy right now. We're all here and participating for different purposes, and one of my purposes is to sharpen my writing skills and my rhetoric. Arguing with strangers on the internet is the most effective way of doing this that I've found, that doesn't affect my personal/professional life. Another thing you mentioned - people with immense issues. We've all got plenty of issues, and one of the best things about commenting anonymously on the internet is that there is no punishment for revealing them. I think that there are positive perspectives you could take on some of these bullet points
- BeetleB 6y ago
  > We're all here and participating for different purposes, and one of my purposes is to sharpen my writing skills and my rhetoric. Arguing with strangers on the internet is the most effective way of doing this that I've found, that doesn't affect my personal/professional life. > I think that there are positive perspectives you could take on some of these bullet points Arguing with someone on the Internet is positive only if the other party also wishes to argue. Kind of like going out to the street and physically fighting with a random person. It'll definitely sharpen your fighting skills, but it's not a positive if the random stranger doesn't want to fight.
  - sandov 6y ago
    In HN you can simply not reply when you don't want to argue.
    - BeetleB 6y ago
      > In HN you can simply not reply when you don't want to argue. If you're addressing the physical fighting analogy, yes - it is an imperfect one. It is also not the main thrust of my argument. If you're referring to the wider point, I don't see the relevance. It's not a given that the purpose of commenting on HN is for sharpening writing skills and rhetoric. It no doubt is the purpose of some on HN, but not everyone. To take the statement to a pointless extreme, you can also choose not to reply to someone who is openly insulting you on HN. That doesn't make it OK to do so.
mplanchard 6y ago
Folks are replying to you saying that HN has the same problems. I don’t entirely disagree with them, but I do think that Reddit is much worse. It may be the more conscious moderation style on HN, but it’s much more likely you’re going to get interesting content and thoughtful discussions here than on most subreddits, particularly those that show up on r/all or r/popular. HN definitely has issues with performative intellectualism and people being unnecessarily argumentative, but I don’t think equating it with reddit is accurate.
- alden_penny 6y ago
  HN is more of an echo chamber than reddit because the moderation can be effectively done by just dan and there's no subreddit niches on HN to allow diversity of opinions.
  - andreareina 6y ago
    Would you care to support your accusation with evidence?
  - buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
    If you had said something like that about u/gallowboob on a top subreddit on Reddit, your comment would have been deleted within minutes. The fact that your comment here isn’t deleted is a testament to how wrong your comment is.
    - alden_penny 6y ago
      Sample size 1, great argument buddy. Go look at all the comments that get flagged every day, not for being inflammatory, but just for being unpopular. And unlike reddit you can't even read them on HN after they die. They're so afraid of dissenting narrative enough downvotes means deletion.
      - dredmorbius 6y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=alden_penny https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=alden_penny Set "show dead" == "yes". (For other users: your own account page.)
cinbun8 6y ago
The problems with Hacker news I'd like to add * HN Companies and sock puppets pushing agendas * Hacker news counter culture movements and backlashes. Seems to be bipolar with pro Rust / anti Rust every day of the week. * Hacker news nice guys who have account names like "mothsonasloth" or something really depraved. Along with all the other hypocrites * Hacker news Admins and big personalities driving content trends on the site e.g. (/u/patio11) * Recycling of posts / knowledge, since there are always new people joining. You get things like "TIL that microservices are awesome" trending once every month. Which is frustrating for veteran users * Hacker news arm chair generals/economists/politicians. The points system rewards trendy content and doesn't necessarily mean quality. Unlike points in Stackoverflow, there is some degree of confidence in the users competency. * The fact that Hacker news is mainly populated with technologically proficient people, who probably have some sort of issue, whether it be mental, psychological. Sure we all suffer from our demons but the amount of stuff I read on there makes me cringe at times. * The "Hacker news Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  Can we please train gpt2 with this model and get HN gpt2 going?
- nswest23 6y ago
  perfect example of __The "Hacker news Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect__
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ryandrake 6y ago
A few other characters I'd add (that appear both here and on Reddit): * "The Pedantic Nitpicker". He will respond to your long, 50 sentence comment and say something like: "That one sentence said 'all' and should say 'some' because here is a counterexample. Therefore, YOUR ENTIRE POST IS WRONG." * "The Sealioning Scientist". No matter what you say, she will ask for linked academic sources, and goad you into arguing, all while acting sincere and curious. If you fail to cite them, then obviously you are writing fiction, and she wins. * "The Silent Downvoter". Skims through posts, looking for ones that violate some established groupthink or simply go against the current subreddit's zeitgeist, downvotes and sneaks off into the dark. Nobody knows their username because they never comment or explain their downvote.
- munchbunny 6y ago
  "The Silent Downvoter". Skims through posts, looking for ones that violate some established groupthink or simply go against the current subreddit's zeitgeist, downvotes and sneaks off into the dark. Nobody knows their username because they never comment or explain their downvote. I think we all wish that we could see the reasons people had for downvoting, but I've accepted that it's just like real life: people will disagree or dislike you and judge you, and you might end up none the wiser, and that's just how it goes. I think this combination of phenomena, getting downvoted for going against groupthink as opposed to not contributing to the conversation, commenters trying to call out their downvoters, commenters accusing their downvoters of being sheep, is more illustrative of a different general issue: people have a tendency to perceive negative social signals as attacks. We all understand defensiveness as a phenomenon, but humans in general are also much better at spotting defensiveness in others than in themselves, so the calmness disappears when it's you being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism seems to do an approximate job of social regulation at best, and I think that's specifically because the wisdom of the crowd is only good for some things and specifically not good for handling nuance or dissent.
- code_duck 6y ago
  "No matter what you say, she will ask for linked academic sources, and goad you into arguing" My favorite are the people who demand sources for every assertion of yours, while making numerous factual assertions of their own without providing sources. Bonus points for disregarding sources once provided, e.g."everyone knows Snopes and Politifact are fake and just anyone can write on Wikipedia".
tw04 6y ago
>Reddit counter culture movements and backlashes. Seems to be bipolar with pro China / anti China every day of the week. Don't forget Russia and Israel. It's obvious their governments are paying people to post on Reddit and it gets old fast. Any thread with even an ounce of negative sentiment is instantly jumped on by people obviously getting paid to defend said countries. 30 seconds of post history shows they aren't actual users, and yet the admins do nothing to fix the problem. Article on Russian invading Ukraine? Well Ukraine was mostly Russians anyway who wanted to be part of Russia so it's ok. Plus USSR - that land belongs to Russia! Article on IDF bombing a Palestinian grade school? Well they were going to grow up to be terrorists and there was a rocket that landed in the sea that the Palestinians fired last week. If they look at us wrong we're allowed to shoot them in the face because self-defense. China torturing Hong Kong protestors? They need to get in line with the party. We are one China - that agreement we signed on unification allowing for a democratic election was just a for fun. Nobody can seriously think Hong Kong should get to vote!?
- throwaway57643 6y ago
  India is another one. Last year, Kashmir had their internet cut off and tanks were rolling in the streets, but all the posts were about Hong Kong.
- closeparen 6y ago
  “No one could possibly believe this, they must be a paid stooge” is an extremely optimistic view of human nature. Plenty of people in real life with incomprehensibly awful opinions, too.
  - tw04 6y ago
    I guess you missed the part where I pointed out browsing their post history makes it pretty obvious they aren't a random US/European citizen expressing their personal thoughts.
Pigo 6y ago
> * The "Reddit Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect I began thinking twice before commenting on anything, and then eventually stopped. Even in the most benign subs, you can quickly escalate to Hitler if you deviate from the hive-mind.
gruez 6y ago
>Seems to be bipolar with pro China / anti China every day of the week. I see anti-china all the time, but rarely see pro-china. This in on /r/all, by the way, so it's not because of any filter bubble on my part.
pradn 6y ago
"The fact that Reddit is mainly populated with technologically proficient people, who probably have some sort of issue, whether it be mental, psychological. Sure we all suffer from our demons but the amount of stuff I read on there makes me cringe at times." Perhaps back when Reddit used to be a niche site, it was "mainly populated with technologically proficient people", but now it's the seventh most-popular site in the US. The days of "fellow Redditors" meaning anything concrete are long gone. You can see it's evolution over time from a site where programming topics were very popular (as a proportion) to where general-purpose memes are dominant. (https://media.wired.com/photos/593278f0a31264584499534b/master/w_1164,c_limit/redditwide.jpg https://media.wired.com/photos/593278f0a31264584499534b/mast...)
ndesaulniers 6y ago
> Reddit nice guys who have account names like "Iliketitties" or something really depraved. Missed opportunity to refer people to the canonical subreddit /r/rimjobsteve.
pippy 6y ago
To add to your list: * using engagement as a ranking metric. This ensures the content is addictive, even if it's low quality * the reactionary fabricated content they keep because it went viral * important news won't surface until hours after an even happens unless an admin stickies it because they removed their traditional ranking algorithm * the shift away from subreddits being communities and towards social media style entities I wish reddit's alternatives gained some traction. Voat had some promise but got taken over by racist bots. saidit might have some potential.
diffrinse 6y ago
You just described the real world

Pelic4n 6y ago

Funny to read that on HN.

fortran77 6y ago
I nearly spit my coffee out while reading it. And it's already on /r/LOLHackerNews

aea14 6y ago

Nearly every bullet point you mentioned can be sensibly argued regarding Hacker News. Particularly the fourth, sixth, and overwhelmingly the last. I have also seen a regular username here containing “penis” in an intentional fashion and a number of people with clear mental and psychological issues, as well. Perhaps the problem isn’t the specific forum.

jiggawatts 6y ago
These issues apply to any internet forum once sufficiently popular. Digg and Slashdot had the same issues, and were slowly strangled by them. The plebs dragged the average down to... well... the average, and then people moved on. Right now YC seems to be the "hip new place to be", but you mark my words, it's going to go down the same path.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  HN has existed since October 6, 2006. It's maintained quality at a higher level, for a longer time, than Slashdot, Kuro5hin, Digg, Reddit, and numerous other fora. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1
  - jiggawatts 6y ago
    That's good to know, and gives me hope, but this trend is generally a function of popularity, not time. Once a decent fraction of the population is on a platform, inevitably it is dragged towards the lowest common denominator. Just recently someone on YC asked about "mind bending books" and the #1 response was Permutation City by Greg Egan. I've read this book, and it was an amazing, nearly life altering experience for me. But lets just say... his style of science fiction is not for everyone, and it's certainly not mainstream. Even in my relatively techy circle of friends, nobody has read any books by Greg Egan. Not one. This indicates to me that the current YC crowd is an extremely narrowly filtered subset of the general population. Recently I've been reading his Orthogonal series about a Universe that has Riemannian spacetime geometry instead of our Lortentzian spacetime. See: https://www.gregegan.net/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html https://www.gregegan.net/ORTHOGONAL/ORTHOGONAL.html Can you imagine going to Facebook, Reddit, or even Slashdot and having such books be even in the top 100? The common people upvote Tolkein, Pratchett, and J K Rowling. Notably, even in the early days, Slashdot had... crazies. Conspiracy nuts, creationists, UFO true believers, and the like. I've noticed that YC is one of the few forums where the one or two Creationists present are mercilessly voted down and their arguments are rejected out of hand. Such trolls get no traction here. But recently... there has been an increase in such talk. It's still small, but I've noticed the trend.

GoodJokes 6y ago

The problem with Reddit and HN are the same. People think they are smarter and more knowledgeable than they actually are.

jonfw 6y ago

'The "Reddit Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect' This one is interesting to me. I could certainly be accused of being this guy, you could probably make an argument that I'm being this guy right now. We're all here and participating for different purposes, and one of my purposes is to sharpen my writing skills and my rhetoric. Arguing with strangers on the internet is the most effective way of doing this that I've found, that doesn't affect my personal/professional life. Another thing you mentioned - people with immense issues. We've all got plenty of issues, and one of the best things about commenting anonymously on the internet is that there is no punishment for revealing them. I think that there are positive perspectives you could take on some of these bullet points

BeetleB 6y ago
> We're all here and participating for different purposes, and one of my purposes is to sharpen my writing skills and my rhetoric. Arguing with strangers on the internet is the most effective way of doing this that I've found, that doesn't affect my personal/professional life. > I think that there are positive perspectives you could take on some of these bullet points Arguing with someone on the Internet is positive only if the other party also wishes to argue. Kind of like going out to the street and physically fighting with a random person. It'll definitely sharpen your fighting skills, but it's not a positive if the random stranger doesn't want to fight.
- sandov 6y ago
  In HN you can simply not reply when you don't want to argue.
  - BeetleB 6y ago
    > In HN you can simply not reply when you don't want to argue. If you're addressing the physical fighting analogy, yes - it is an imperfect one. It is also not the main thrust of my argument. If you're referring to the wider point, I don't see the relevance. It's not a given that the purpose of commenting on HN is for sharpening writing skills and rhetoric. It no doubt is the purpose of some on HN, but not everyone. To take the statement to a pointless extreme, you can also choose not to reply to someone who is openly insulting you on HN. That doesn't make it OK to do so.

mplanchard 6y ago

Folks are replying to you saying that HN has the same problems. I don’t entirely disagree with them, but I do think that Reddit is much worse. It may be the more conscious moderation style on HN, but it’s much more likely you’re going to get interesting content and thoughtful discussions here than on most subreddits, particularly those that show up on r/all or r/popular. HN definitely has issues with performative intellectualism and people being unnecessarily argumentative, but I don’t think equating it with reddit is accurate.

alden_penny 6y ago
HN is more of an echo chamber than reddit because the moderation can be effectively done by just dan and there's no subreddit niches on HN to allow diversity of opinions.
- andreareina 6y ago
  Would you care to support your accusation with evidence?
- buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
  If you had said something like that about u/gallowboob on a top subreddit on Reddit, your comment would have been deleted within minutes. The fact that your comment here isn’t deleted is a testament to how wrong your comment is.
  - alden_penny 6y ago
    Sample size 1, great argument buddy. Go look at all the comments that get flagged every day, not for being inflammatory, but just for being unpopular. And unlike reddit you can't even read them on HN after they die. They're so afraid of dissenting narrative enough downvotes means deletion.
    - dredmorbius 6y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=alden_penny https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=alden_penny Set "show dead" == "yes". (For other users: your own account page.)

cinbun8 6y ago

The problems with Hacker news I'd like to add * HN Companies and sock puppets pushing agendas * Hacker news counter culture movements and backlashes. Seems to be bipolar with pro Rust / anti Rust every day of the week. * Hacker news nice guys who have account names like "mothsonasloth" or something really depraved. Along with all the other hypocrites * Hacker news Admins and big personalities driving content trends on the site e.g. (/u/patio11) * Recycling of posts / knowledge, since there are always new people joining. You get things like "TIL that microservices are awesome" trending once every month. Which is frustrating for veteran users * Hacker news arm chair generals/economists/politicians. The points system rewards trendy content and doesn't necessarily mean quality. Unlike points in Stackoverflow, there is some degree of confidence in the users competency. * The fact that Hacker news is mainly populated with technologically proficient people, who probably have some sort of issue, whether it be mental, psychological. Sure we all suffer from our demons but the amount of stuff I read on there makes me cringe at times. * The "Hacker news Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect

runawaybottle 6y ago
Can we please train gpt2 with this model and get HN gpt2 going?
nswest23 6y ago
perfect example of __The "Hacker news Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect__
- deleted 6y ago
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ryandrake 6y ago

A few other characters I'd add (that appear both here and on Reddit): * "The Pedantic Nitpicker". He will respond to your long, 50 sentence comment and say something like: "That one sentence said 'all' and should say 'some' because here is a counterexample. Therefore, YOUR ENTIRE POST IS WRONG." * "The Sealioning Scientist". No matter what you say, she will ask for linked academic sources, and goad you into arguing, all while acting sincere and curious. If you fail to cite them, then obviously you are writing fiction, and she wins. * "The Silent Downvoter". Skims through posts, looking for ones that violate some established groupthink or simply go against the current subreddit's zeitgeist, downvotes and sneaks off into the dark. Nobody knows their username because they never comment or explain their downvote.

munchbunny 6y ago
"The Silent Downvoter". Skims through posts, looking for ones that violate some established groupthink or simply go against the current subreddit's zeitgeist, downvotes and sneaks off into the dark. Nobody knows their username because they never comment or explain their downvote. I think we all wish that we could see the reasons people had for downvoting, but I've accepted that it's just like real life: people will disagree or dislike you and judge you, and you might end up none the wiser, and that's just how it goes. I think this combination of phenomena, getting downvoted for going against groupthink as opposed to not contributing to the conversation, commenters trying to call out their downvoters, commenters accusing their downvoters of being sheep, is more illustrative of a different general issue: people have a tendency to perceive negative social signals as attacks. We all understand defensiveness as a phenomenon, but humans in general are also much better at spotting defensiveness in others than in themselves, so the calmness disappears when it's you being downvoted. Downvoting as a mechanism seems to do an approximate job of social regulation at best, and I think that's specifically because the wisdom of the crowd is only good for some things and specifically not good for handling nuance or dissent.
code_duck 6y ago
"No matter what you say, she will ask for linked academic sources, and goad you into arguing" My favorite are the people who demand sources for every assertion of yours, while making numerous factual assertions of their own without providing sources. Bonus points for disregarding sources once provided, e.g."everyone knows Snopes and Politifact are fake and just anyone can write on Wikipedia".

tw04 6y ago

>Reddit counter culture movements and backlashes. Seems to be bipolar with pro China / anti China every day of the week. Don't forget Russia and Israel. It's obvious their governments are paying people to post on Reddit and it gets old fast. Any thread with even an ounce of negative sentiment is instantly jumped on by people obviously getting paid to defend said countries. 30 seconds of post history shows they aren't actual users, and yet the admins do nothing to fix the problem. Article on Russian invading Ukraine? Well Ukraine was mostly Russians anyway who wanted to be part of Russia so it's ok. Plus USSR - that land belongs to Russia! Article on IDF bombing a Palestinian grade school? Well they were going to grow up to be terrorists and there was a rocket that landed in the sea that the Palestinians fired last week. If they look at us wrong we're allowed to shoot them in the face because self-defense. China torturing Hong Kong protestors? They need to get in line with the party. We are one China - that agreement we signed on unification allowing for a democratic election was just a for fun. Nobody can seriously think Hong Kong should get to vote!?

throwaway57643 6y ago
India is another one. Last year, Kashmir had their internet cut off and tanks were rolling in the streets, but all the posts were about Hong Kong.
closeparen 6y ago
“No one could possibly believe this, they must be a paid stooge” is an extremely optimistic view of human nature. Plenty of people in real life with incomprehensibly awful opinions, too.
- tw04 6y ago
  I guess you missed the part where I pointed out browsing their post history makes it pretty obvious they aren't a random US/European citizen expressing their personal thoughts.

Pigo 6y ago

> * The "Reddit Contrarian", waiting to snipe your post with their immense intellect I began thinking twice before commenting on anything, and then eventually stopped. Even in the most benign subs, you can quickly escalate to Hitler if you deviate from the hive-mind.

gruez 6y ago

>Seems to be bipolar with pro China / anti China every day of the week. I see anti-china all the time, but rarely see pro-china. This in on /r/all, by the way, so it's not because of any filter bubble on my part.

pradn 6y ago

"The fact that Reddit is mainly populated with technologically proficient people, who probably have some sort of issue, whether it be mental, psychological. Sure we all suffer from our demons but the amount of stuff I read on there makes me cringe at times." Perhaps back when Reddit used to be a niche site, it was "mainly populated with technologically proficient people", but now it's the seventh most-popular site in the US. The days of "fellow Redditors" meaning anything concrete are long gone. You can see it's evolution over time from a site where programming topics were very popular (as a proportion) to where general-purpose memes are dominant. (https://media.wired.com/photos/593278f0a31264584499534b/master/w_1164,c_limit/redditwide.jpg https://media.wired.com/photos/593278f0a31264584499534b/mast...)

ndesaulniers 6y ago

> Reddit nice guys who have account names like "Iliketitties" or something really depraved. Missed opportunity to refer people to the canonical subreddit /r/rimjobsteve.

pippy 6y ago

To add to your list: * using engagement as a ranking metric. This ensures the content is addictive, even if it's low quality * the reactionary fabricated content they keep because it went viral * important news won't surface until hours after an even happens unless an admin stickies it because they removed their traditional ranking algorithm * the shift away from subreddits being communities and towards social media style entities I wish reddit's alternatives gained some traction. Voat had some promise but got taken over by racist bots. saidit might have some potential.

diffrinse 6y ago

You just described the real world