>I have never used this but something better for GUI would be great even if commercial; what I miss (as a native GUI dev) with all(? if you know any besides fra

>I have never used this but something better for GUI would be great even if commercial; what I miss (as a native GUI dev) with all(? if you know any besides framework7 which is basically only mobile) of these html/css frameworks is that there is no equivalent of a control library that can be rapidly used without using (bucketloads) of css. When you browse the examples you see that most have some desktop controls like menus etc; I don't want to 'make' those; I just want to start with a theme (Material) and (as backend dev) never touch css while still being able to make something that looks ok and works like an actual GUI app instead of a web page. Like I can (and do) do in native tech all the time. In this regard even Visual Basic was far ahead of most of today's client tech. HTML/CSS/JS are not even close to be called a serious GUI stack for applications despite they are used for that as the Web ate the world.