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With all respect, this is an absurd summary and you're obviously not in any way an expert on this topic else you wouldn't write such nonsense. There is no 'ideo

With all respect, this is an absurd summary and you're obviously not in any way an expert on this topic else you wouldn't write such nonsense. There is no 'ideological war with Islam'. There are many Islamic countries closely following the western model of economy and society. The conflict with China also has long stepped beyond just ideology and is much more about realpolitik, power projection, economic clout, etc than ideological conflict between a formally-communist-but-is-actually-just-a-typical-capitalist-autocracy and the hardcore capitalist that is the US (and which some would describe as at least an oligarchy). there is not much points going into your other arguments which are equally absurd, except of course for the obvious oil-vs-guns deals between US and KSA and the spurious arguments for the war which we all know were lies and it's just astonishing how little the US population holds its leaders to account for starting a war over faked evidence.

me_me_me 6y ago
> a war over faked evidence With a proof that Bush Jr. was officially informed that the justifications for the war are false some few days before invasion. (Probably someone from intelligence covering their ass, so the war wouldn't be blamed on them once bogus weapons of mass destruction were nowhere to be found).
Supermancho 6y ago
> With all respect, this is an absurd summary I don't think it was absurd, nor paid respect. Maybe it did not focus on the things I would focus on, but it was coherent enough. I believe the historic reasoning for supporting the Saudi's was obvious (until the fracking "miracle"). Saudi Arabia effectively controlled OPEC and ensured that the USD was the standard for oil exchange. This was HUGE for the global US Hegemony and power dynamic. Even Russia was forced to deal in USD at times. > There is no 'ideological war with Islam'. There are a number of countries, with religious leaders who are all Islamic, that are actively anti-USA in both violent and non violent action. This is an oversimplification of history, but the root cause is still there. Religion has been responsible for more deaths than any other force and this continues into modern times. > The conflict with China <is due to another set of issues> That interpretation is valid, but the effect is the same. The US combats freedom of expression with media and China flat-out persecutes it mercilessly out of fear of destabilization (the ruling "oligarchy" is very well educated) with a penchant for cleansing populations along regional and racial divides. This is particularly distasteful (other than Trump's initiatives to "punish" states?) to the US population. > there is not much points going into your other arguments which are equally absurd He didn't make arguments. He gave reasons for his interpretation of events.

me_me_me 6y ago

> a war over faked evidence With a proof that Bush Jr. was officially informed that the justifications for the war are false some few days before invasion. (Probably someone from intelligence covering their ass, so the war wouldn't be blamed on them once bogus weapons of mass destruction were nowhere to be found).

Supermancho 6y ago

> With all respect, this is an absurd summary I don't think it was absurd, nor paid respect. Maybe it did not focus on the things I would focus on, but it was coherent enough. I believe the historic reasoning for supporting the Saudi's was obvious (until the fracking "miracle"). Saudi Arabia effectively controlled OPEC and ensured that the USD was the standard for oil exchange. This was HUGE for the global US Hegemony and power dynamic. Even Russia was forced to deal in USD at times. > There is no 'ideological war with Islam'. There are a number of countries, with religious leaders who are all Islamic, that are actively anti-USA in both violent and non violent action. This is an oversimplification of history, but the root cause is still there. Religion has been responsible for more deaths than any other force and this continues into modern times. > The conflict with China <is due to another set of issues> That interpretation is valid, but the effect is the same. The US combats freedom of expression with media and China flat-out persecutes it mercilessly out of fear of destabilization (the ruling "oligarchy" is very well educated) with a penchant for cleansing populations along regional and racial divides. This is particularly distasteful (other than Trump's initiatives to "punish" states?) to the US population. > there is not much points going into your other arguments which are equally absurd He didn't make arguments. He gave reasons for his interpretation of events.