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If I understand your reasoning, the difference between hospice care and staying at home with bedrest & fluids is a 9.5% death rate. Is that actually the model y

If I understand your reasoning, the difference between hospice care and staying at home with bedrest & fluids is a 9.5% death rate. Is that actually the model you work with? My understanding is that most COVID patients sick enough to get a ventilator die anyway.

paypalcust83 6y ago
Your understanding is wrong and shows a lack of compassion for human life. Ventilated patients die because they already had extreme damage done to their lungs from a lack of interventional treatment and then are overpressurized which further damages their lungs which finally kills them. The Great Ventilator Rush was an exercise in futility and ignorant mass murder.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  This is mostly bullshit. Using ventilators was fairly standard care for the set of symptoms. It has come to light that alternate treatments are probably better in some circumstances. But you're writing this as if the disease is treatable. It's still not treatable. Most people who end up ventilators are, in fact, sick enough that they're likely to die. The parent said nothing that lacked compassion for human life. Accusing doctors who are risking their lives trying to save patients with the best of their knowledge mass murderers is magnitudes more heartless.
redis_mlc 6y ago
> My understanding is that most COVID patients sick enough to get a ventilator die anyway. Yes, 66% to 90% mortality rate.
orwin 6y ago
I don't know this is not more widespread, but you have 3 type of care. Non-intrusive ventilators or oxygen masks (or the nasal oxygen stuff), instrusive ventilator and the last one is artificial blood oxygenation, i will count this as intrusive ventilation as it is often used with intrusive ventilation. Around 10% of known cases needs hospitalisation. Among them, 70% to 80% of cases only needs oxygen and not respiratory help. So you can't give them oxygen, they'll either die or have permanent right heart or brain damage. Those will likely be fine after a dozen day at the hospital. If your oxygen levels are really, really low, you will need an intrusive ventilator. And yes, the death rate in those cases is absurdly high (between 60 and 90%). Note: 10% of known cases is NOT 10% of cases. Note 2: IMO this 10% number should be way higher as hypoxemia is far more widespread than previously thought, even for people with mild symptoms, even for kids (i only have anecdotal data on this so don't use it as an argument until papers are written and consensus is made). Still, if you have covid with only mild symptoms, please go to the hospital to take your oxygen saturation level.

paypalcust83 6y ago

Your understanding is wrong and shows a lack of compassion for human life. Ventilated patients die because they already had extreme damage done to their lungs from a lack of interventional treatment and then are overpressurized which further damages their lungs which finally kills them. The Great Ventilator Rush was an exercise in futility and ignorant mass murder.

klmadfejno 6y ago
This is mostly bullshit. Using ventilators was fairly standard care for the set of symptoms. It has come to light that alternate treatments are probably better in some circumstances. But you're writing this as if the disease is treatable. It's still not treatable. Most people who end up ventilators are, in fact, sick enough that they're likely to die. The parent said nothing that lacked compassion for human life. Accusing doctors who are risking their lives trying to save patients with the best of their knowledge mass murderers is magnitudes more heartless.

redis_mlc 6y ago

> My understanding is that most COVID patients sick enough to get a ventilator die anyway. Yes, 66% to 90% mortality rate.

orwin 6y ago

I don't know this is not more widespread, but you have 3 type of care. Non-intrusive ventilators or oxygen masks (or the nasal oxygen stuff), instrusive ventilator and the last one is artificial blood oxygenation, i will count this as intrusive ventilation as it is often used with intrusive ventilation. Around 10% of known cases needs hospitalisation. Among them, 70% to 80% of cases only needs oxygen and not respiratory help. So you can't give them oxygen, they'll either die or have permanent right heart or brain damage. Those will likely be fine after a dozen day at the hospital. If your oxygen levels are really, really low, you will need an intrusive ventilator. And yes, the death rate in those cases is absurdly high (between 60 and 90%). Note: 10% of known cases is NOT 10% of cases. Note 2: IMO this 10% number should be way higher as hypoxemia is far more widespread than previously thought, even for people with mild symptoms, even for kids (i only have anecdotal data on this so don't use it as an argument until papers are written and consensus is made). Still, if you have covid with only mild symptoms, please go to the hospital to take your oxygen saturation level.