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and catching a potentially fatal illness on the third hand. Yeah the risk is probably small now, but it is still a risk.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Is it going to stop being a risk in a few weeks? I'm sure we can agree that a ban on auto manufacturing is unsustainable.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Why not? A lot of people aren’t putting many miles on their vehicles while all this is going on. A lockdown that keeps Tesla closed is going to reduce demand for new cars for related reasons.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Driving is only down about a third from pre-pandemic levels. But more broadly, we can't centrally plan which things people do or don't need over the long term. It just isn't an effective economic strategy.
    - themacguffinman 6y ago
      But this isn't long term. A few months is a far cry for long term.
      - therealjumbo 6y ago
        A few more months isn't going to give us a vaccine so at worst that's just causing more economic damage, leaving hospitals empty and moving the pandemic two months into the future. At best you open back up with safety procedures, and limit the spread. But there's no reason you can't do that exact same thing today. Also, I agree with Musk that an indefinite lockdown is unconstitutional. And if it's not, I want our laws changed so it is. It may be a good idea health-wise (or may not, see increased suicides) but that doesn't make it legal and letting an unelected official impose an indefinite lockdown is just bad policy. So if the local authority couldn't give a deadline, I'd tell them to piss off too.
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        It seems even more implausible that the risk will be less in a few months than in a few weeks. What’s going to change?
        jedberg 6y ago
        We’ll most likely have contact tracing and a good supply of tests in two months. As well as lot more ppe. So a lot will be different in two months.
        SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        Alameda County already has contact tracing, a lot of tests, and sufficient PPE for ongoing needs. (They admittedly don't meet the state standards that every hospital should have a 30 day stockpile.)
  - concordDance 6y ago
    Isn't Tesla the only car manufacturer with no reopen date in the next couple of weeks?
- jmckib 6y ago
  It won't stop being a risk until we have a vaccine, but the risk may be smaller, and once the risk gets small enough we may be able to keep it that way through testing and contact-tracing.
willio58 6y ago
From what I've read, Employees don't have to come in if they are afraid of getting sick. They just won't get payed for that time.
jamiequint 6y ago
You probably have a higher risk of dying driving to the factory than you do of dying of COVID that you caught in the factory given the size, ventilation, and PPE measures in place.
tengbretson 6y ago
Fortunately I don't think Tesla employs many 80 year olds.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Is it going to stop being a risk in a few weeks? I'm sure we can agree that a ban on auto manufacturing is unsustainable.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Why not? A lot of people aren’t putting many miles on their vehicles while all this is going on. A lockdown that keeps Tesla closed is going to reduce demand for new cars for related reasons.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Driving is only down about a third from pre-pandemic levels. But more broadly, we can't centrally plan which things people do or don't need over the long term. It just isn't an effective economic strategy.
  - themacguffinman 6y ago
    But this isn't long term. A few months is a far cry for long term.
    - therealjumbo 6y ago
      A few more months isn't going to give us a vaccine so at worst that's just causing more economic damage, leaving hospitals empty and moving the pandemic two months into the future. At best you open back up with safety procedures, and limit the spread. But there's no reason you can't do that exact same thing today. Also, I agree with Musk that an indefinite lockdown is unconstitutional. And if it's not, I want our laws changed so it is. It may be a good idea health-wise (or may not, see increased suicides) but that doesn't make it legal and letting an unelected official impose an indefinite lockdown is just bad policy. So if the local authority couldn't give a deadline, I'd tell them to piss off too.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      It seems even more implausible that the risk will be less in a few months than in a few weeks. What’s going to change?
      - jedberg 6y ago
        We’ll most likely have contact tracing and a good supply of tests in two months. As well as lot more ppe. So a lot will be different in two months.
        SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        Alameda County already has contact tracing, a lot of tests, and sufficient PPE for ongoing needs. (They admittedly don't meet the state standards that every hospital should have a 30 day stockpile.)
- concordDance 6y ago
  Isn't Tesla the only car manufacturer with no reopen date in the next couple of weeks?
jmckib 6y ago
It won't stop being a risk until we have a vaccine, but the risk may be smaller, and once the risk gets small enough we may be able to keep it that way through testing and contact-tracing.

willio58 6y ago

From what I've read, Employees don't have to come in if they are afraid of getting sick. They just won't get payed for that time.

jamiequint 6y ago

You probably have a higher risk of dying driving to the factory than you do of dying of COVID that you caught in the factory given the size, ventilation, and PPE measures in place.

tengbretson 6y ago

Fortunately I don't think Tesla employs many 80 year olds.