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I wonder what his story will be when families sue the company after employees die of the virus. I guess it will be "they didn't catch it here."

dannyw 6y ago
Likely no one will die, given: * the mandated, Tesla-supplied masks and face shields; * the 6 ft of social distance mandated across the entire process; * the fact that it is opening at 30-40% capacity; * the age of the factory workers, and the flu-like levels of CFR for young to medium aged workers The virus is going to be here with us for a long time. A vaccine isn't happening this year barring a divine-like miracle; it may not even happen next year or even ever. Coronavirus vaccines are very new for us. We cannot put the whole society, and the whole economy, on lockdown for 3 years. We need to reopen following all the safety protocols, but we need to reopen. If someone dies despite all the safety protocols taking place, then, well, it sucks. But the virus is here already.
- MiroF 6y ago
  We need to get testing and contact tracing down before we re-open. You're right that we cannot wait for a vaccine.
  - holler 6y ago
    I'm really still not sold on contact-tracing at all. What good does it do for me to find out that 10 people I crossed paths with today had covid? If a sizable number of people end up getting it etc, these apps are only going to serve to freak people out with anxiety and no one will use them. Id rather just assume I'm coming into contact with it when I leave my house, and then take necessary precautions.
    - MiroF 6y ago
      > these apps are only going to serve to freak people out with anxiety and no one will use them. Not sure that it should necessarily be done by apps. But if you can find someone who has covid, identify their close contacts, and have them tested - then you can still catch a significant number of cases and put a dent in the disease's spread. These are things that mitigate the spread and have a substantial impact at the margin. I'd spend some time reading what the pros, like Trevor Bedford, are suggesting as a path forward, rather than just the headlines about Apple's new contact tracing app. Also, worth noting that other countries have successfully suppressed the virus.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  > * the mandated, Tesla-supplied masks and face shields Nope. "You are welcome to bring your own PPE. If Tesla has supplied you with some, you are required to wear it". is quite different from "Tesla has supplied and required employees to wear PPE".
  - dannyw 6y ago
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will-have-temperatures-taken-and-get-masks.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will...
    - prostanac 6y ago
      Your article is from march. [0] is the source for this quote, from page 7. [0] https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/Tesla-Return-to-Work-Playbook.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/T...
- mrfusion 6y ago
  So logical. I can’t believe this is being downvoted.
- Traster 6y ago
  >* the age of the factory workers, and the flu-like levels of CFR for young to medium aged workers Factory worker catches Coronavirus, shows no symptoms, passes it to their family, their elderly parent dies. Given that these factories employ thousands of people, it's actually not improbably that someone directly related to a Tesla employee dies of coronavirus after this re-opening. Whether it's due to the factory re-opening we'll never know, but I'm sure some lawyers can make a damn good stab at finding out.

dannyw 6y ago

Likely no one will die, given: * the mandated, Tesla-supplied masks and face shields; * the 6 ft of social distance mandated across the entire process; * the fact that it is opening at 30-40% capacity; * the age of the factory workers, and the flu-like levels of CFR for young to medium aged workers The virus is going to be here with us for a long time. A vaccine isn't happening this year barring a divine-like miracle; it may not even happen next year or even ever. Coronavirus vaccines are very new for us. We cannot put the whole society, and the whole economy, on lockdown for 3 years. We need to reopen following all the safety protocols, but we need to reopen. If someone dies despite all the safety protocols taking place, then, well, it sucks. But the virus is here already.

MiroF 6y ago
We need to get testing and contact tracing down before we re-open. You're right that we cannot wait for a vaccine.
- holler 6y ago
  I'm really still not sold on contact-tracing at all. What good does it do for me to find out that 10 people I crossed paths with today had covid? If a sizable number of people end up getting it etc, these apps are only going to serve to freak people out with anxiety and no one will use them. Id rather just assume I'm coming into contact with it when I leave my house, and then take necessary precautions.
  - MiroF 6y ago
    > these apps are only going to serve to freak people out with anxiety and no one will use them. Not sure that it should necessarily be done by apps. But if you can find someone who has covid, identify their close contacts, and have them tested - then you can still catch a significant number of cases and put a dent in the disease's spread. These are things that mitigate the spread and have a substantial impact at the margin. I'd spend some time reading what the pros, like Trevor Bedford, are suggesting as a path forward, rather than just the headlines about Apple's new contact tracing app. Also, worth noting that other countries have successfully suppressed the virus.
FireBeyond 6y ago
> * the mandated, Tesla-supplied masks and face shields Nope. "You are welcome to bring your own PPE. If Tesla has supplied you with some, you are required to wear it". is quite different from "Tesla has supplied and required employees to wear PPE".
- dannyw 6y ago
  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will-have-temperatures-taken-and-get-masks.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/tesla-factory-employees-will...
  - prostanac 6y ago
    Your article is from march. [0] is the source for this quote, from page 7. [0] https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/Tesla-Return-to-Work-Playbook.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/T...
mrfusion 6y ago
So logical. I can’t believe this is being downvoted.
Traster 6y ago
>* the age of the factory workers, and the flu-like levels of CFR for young to medium aged workers Factory worker catches Coronavirus, shows no symptoms, passes it to their family, their elderly parent dies. Given that these factories employ thousands of people, it's actually not improbably that someone directly related to a Tesla employee dies of coronavirus after this re-opening. Whether it's due to the factory re-opening we'll never know, but I'm sure some lawyers can make a damn good stab at finding out.