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i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light. plenty of businesses are closed in

by shmatt 6y ago

i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light. plenty of businesses are closed in states where the Governor has given a green light to re-open. It can be plain common sense by the business owner, city laws, office buildings enforcing impossible rules such as 1 person per elevator, liability from lawsuits and the insurance fees that come from that, office layout that needs a complete rebuild, workers scared for themselves or people they live with, and many more

shoo 6y ago
> i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov Separately from regulation, there's also the question of how comfortable people are at returning to their old virus-care-free routines. One anecdote reported from a visit to Wuhan is that after restrictions were lifted and people were permitted to more freely move around outside, there weren't many people who were interested in going back to eat at restaurants -- to the extent that a restaurant owner who was planning to reopen a number of restaurants ended up leaving them closed. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/chinas-uneven-reopening-shows-fear-might-hold-back/id1038108799?i=1000472366580 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/chinas-uneven-reopenin...
- joe_the_user 6y ago
  Yeah, Even more, I don't think the people who talk about reopening no matter the cost in deaths realize that they're undermining any effort to get people to feel safe in an opened economy, which will impact people spending money in that economy.
sharkweek 6y ago
>Office layout that needs a complete rebuild My partner works for [LARGE BUSINESS]. She works on their real estate team, and until two months ago was working on a massive densification project to get more desks in existing square footage to accommodate a hiring boom. Now? Shit, the C-level has asked her team to entirely scrap that and instead do the exact opposite, rethinking their entire company’s footprint to encourage distancing and limiting daily office occupancy. Her head is spinning a bit but it has been fascinating to watch from the outside.
josephorjoe 6y ago
What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not biology and physics?
- umanwizard 6y ago
  Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of the most clearly political questions I can imagine. The effects of the virus have to do with biology; weighing multiple different tradeoffs is politics.
  - josephorjoe 6y ago
    It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. When you make personal decisions it is about biology. I know many people feel like you do. And it may be inevitable that most of us get exposed. But I’m inclined to postpone my exposure for as long as possible, preferably not until the disease is better understood and there are better treatments available. I do appreciate that I’m lucky enough to have the financial flexibility to make that decision and not everyone has that luxury. I miss the restaurants and bars and museums and even the subways too. I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks.
    - umanwizard 6y ago
      > It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. Yes, which is what the protests are about: whether large groups of people should be allowed to do certain things. Nobody is protesting against your right to stay inside if you want to. > I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks. That’s fine. But you claimed you couldn’t imagine anyone behaving differently, when (clearly IMO) quite a lot of people will.

by shmatt 6y ago

shoo 6y ago

> i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov Separately from regulation, there's also the question of how comfortable people are at returning to their old virus-care-free routines. One anecdote reported from a visit to Wuhan is that after restrictions were lifted and people were permitted to more freely move around outside, there weren't many people who were interested in going back to eat at restaurants -- to the extent that a restaurant owner who was planning to reopen a number of restaurants ended up leaving them closed. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/chinas-uneven-reopening-shows-fear-might-hold-back/id1038108799?i=1000472366580 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/chinas-uneven-reopenin...

joe_the_user 6y ago
Yeah, Even more, I don't think the people who talk about reopening no matter the cost in deaths realize that they're undermining any effort to get people to feel safe in an opened economy, which will impact people spending money in that economy.

sharkweek 6y ago

>Office layout that needs a complete rebuild My partner works for [LARGE BUSINESS]. She works on their real estate team, and until two months ago was working on a massive densification project to get more desks in existing square footage to accommodate a hiring boom. Now? Shit, the C-level has asked her team to entirely scrap that and instead do the exact opposite, rethinking their entire company’s footprint to encourage distancing and limiting daily office occupancy. Her head is spinning a bit but it has been fascinating to watch from the outside.

josephorjoe 6y ago

What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not biology and physics?

umanwizard 6y ago
Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of the most clearly political questions I can imagine. The effects of the virus have to do with biology; weighing multiple different tradeoffs is politics.
- josephorjoe 6y ago
  It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. When you make personal decisions it is about biology. I know many people feel like you do. And it may be inevitable that most of us get exposed. But I’m inclined to postpone my exposure for as long as possible, preferably not until the disease is better understood and there are better treatments available. I do appreciate that I’m lucky enough to have the financial flexibility to make that decision and not everyone has that luxury. I miss the restaurants and bars and museums and even the subways too. I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks.
  - umanwizard 6y ago
    > It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. Yes, which is what the protests are about: whether large groups of people should be allowed to do certain things. Nobody is protesting against your right to stay inside if you want to. > I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks. That’s fine. But you claimed you couldn’t imagine anyone behaving differently, when (clearly IMO) quite a lot of people will.