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I'm a Elon Musk fan in general but what about "duty of care" to his staff? Also what other laws can he (or anyone else) choose to violate? What if a cigarette f

I'm a Elon Musk fan in general but what about "duty of care" to his staff? Also what other laws can he (or anyone else) choose to violate? What if a cigarette factory owner decides to violate smoking health guidelines by selling to kids on the basis they reject parts of the science about the state's decision?

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Is it not a moral obligation to perform civil disobedience when challenging a law you believe unjust? He asks for only himself to be arrested! Regarding duty of care, 43 states are reopening already. Are they wrong? Can you prove they’re wrong to do so? Shouldn’t there be a burden of proof if you as the government require a business to remain shuttered when the vast majority of states are reopening?
- secfirstmd 6y ago
  Civil disobedience? This isn't marching against Jim Crow, this is about Covid-19. If he wants to express that opinion fine, but what about the health of the staff he is making go to work?
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    How long do you propose we don’t go back to work for?
    - dekhn 6y ago
      He already had an agreement for the factory to open in 1 week. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/business/coronavirus-elon-musk-tesla-california.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/business/coronavirus-elon... “We were working on a lot of policies and procedures to help operate that plant and quite frankly, I think Tesla did a pretty good job, and that’s why I had it to the point where on May 18, Tesla would have opened,” Mr. Haggerty said. “I know Elon knew that. But he wanted it this week.” so 1 more week beyond today is what the officials were planning on.
- M2Ys4U 6y ago
  > Is it not a moral obligation to perform civil disobedience when challenging a law you believe unjust? He asks for only himself to be arrested! Then he should be the only one in the factory
matz1 6y ago
I'm Elon musk fan too >what about "duty of care" to his staff? Its not like Elon harm his staff by opening, >Also what other laws can he (or anyone else) choose to violate? In general, every law can be violated, broken, bend. It boil down to the pros vs the cons for you.
- ranbumo 6y ago
  I don't see how this qualifies as harmless. He is putting every single employee under economic duress to potentially expose themselves to covid and defy a gov order.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Going to work doesn't mean you are going to be infected. Being infected doesn't mean you are going to have the symptom. Having the symptom doesn't mean its going to be severe symptom. Having severe symptom doesn't mean you going to be hospitalized. Simply driving a car during normal situation can potentially expose you death as well.
koheripbal 6y ago
This is only relevant if there are a meaningful number of cases in Alameda - which there aren't.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

Is it not a moral obligation to perform civil disobedience when challenging a law you believe unjust? He asks for only himself to be arrested! Regarding duty of care, 43 states are reopening already. Are they wrong? Can you prove they’re wrong to do so? Shouldn’t there be a burden of proof if you as the government require a business to remain shuttered when the vast majority of states are reopening?

secfirstmd 6y ago
Civil disobedience? This isn't marching against Jim Crow, this is about Covid-19. If he wants to express that opinion fine, but what about the health of the staff he is making go to work?
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  How long do you propose we don’t go back to work for?
  - dekhn 6y ago
    He already had an agreement for the factory to open in 1 week. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/business/coronavirus-elon-musk-tesla-california.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/business/coronavirus-elon... “We were working on a lot of policies and procedures to help operate that plant and quite frankly, I think Tesla did a pretty good job, and that’s why I had it to the point where on May 18, Tesla would have opened,” Mr. Haggerty said. “I know Elon knew that. But he wanted it this week.” so 1 more week beyond today is what the officials were planning on.
M2Ys4U 6y ago
> Is it not a moral obligation to perform civil disobedience when challenging a law you believe unjust? He asks for only himself to be arrested! Then he should be the only one in the factory

matz1 6y ago

I'm Elon musk fan too >what about "duty of care" to his staff? Its not like Elon harm his staff by opening, >Also what other laws can he (or anyone else) choose to violate? In general, every law can be violated, broken, bend. It boil down to the pros vs the cons for you.

ranbumo 6y ago
I don't see how this qualifies as harmless. He is putting every single employee under economic duress to potentially expose themselves to covid and defy a gov order.
- matz1 6y ago
  Going to work doesn't mean you are going to be infected. Being infected doesn't mean you are going to have the symptom. Having the symptom doesn't mean its going to be severe symptom. Having severe symptom doesn't mean you going to be hospitalized. Simply driving a car during normal situation can potentially expose you death as well.

koheripbal 6y ago

This is only relevant if there are a meaningful number of cases in Alameda - which there aren't.