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Insider knowledge here, but...the tools are rapidly being developed in California.

CydeWeys 6y ago
It would be great if the states had some kind of united way to collaborate on these efforts rather than individually inventing the wheel 50 times.
- erichocean 6y ago
  They can of course collaborate, it's not like there are federal regulations preventing that from happening.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    I think the snarky point was that the Feds (in theory) exist to provide that sort of coordination.
    - munk-a 6y ago
      That said - it's still a bit amusing that at this point there might need to be some sort of second federal government to make up for the fact that the first one keeps fumbling everything. If only we had a deep state - then maybe we'd get the things that need doing done.
      - nradov 6y ago
        The Western States Pact is in some sense a second parallel federal government. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-california-oregon-washington-in-western-states-pact/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-calif... Of course state governments have previously formed multilateral agreements on other topics such as water rights.
        ceejayoz 6y ago
        It's been fascinating to watch several of these pop up, especially the big three (Western, Midwest, and Northeast). https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1253455955666382848 https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1253455955666382848
    - lonelappde 6y ago
      That's not what the Federal Government is for, though, even in theory. The Federal government handles foreign affairs and interstate disputes.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        Sure, that’s why we have the Federal Emergency Do-Nothing Agency and the Centers for Disease Non-Control.
      - CydeWeys 6y ago
        A pandemic is very much an interstate problem, so it's in scope even using your narrow and outdated definition of the US government structure.
        CydeWeys 6y ago
        I just found this very relevant history: 1799 The first quarantine station and hospital in America was built in 1799 at the port of Philadelphia after a yellow fever outbreak in 1793. 1878 The National Quarantine Act was passed in 1878, shifting quarantine powers from state to federal government. 1944 The Public Health Service Act formed the federal government’s quarantine authority in 1944. 1967 CDC (National Communicable Disease Center) took over federal quarantine functions in 1967. 1970s CDC reduced the number of quarantine stations from 55 to 8 because infectious diseases were thought to be a thing of the past. 2004–2007 Number of quarantine stations increased to 20 because of concerns about bioterrorism after World Trade Center attack in 2001 and worldwide spread of disease after SARS outbreak in 2003. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantine-stations-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantine-stations-us.html So fighting pandemics officially became a function of the federal government almost a century and a half ago.
      - qotgalaxy 6y ago
        Yes, it's more of an intrastate disagreement with this particular infectious disease.
  - randallsquared 6y ago
    If you learned there were such regulations, would it surprise you? :/
- mikem170 6y ago
  On the flip side the feds might pick a sub-optimal solution, as opposed to 50 separate independent actors who can try different things and converge on a best answer.
fasteddie31003 6y ago
Why is this inside knowledge? Why does the government not tell people what is in the pipeline?

It would be great if the states had some kind of united way to collaborate on these efforts rather than individually inventing the wheel 50 times.

erichocean 6y ago
They can of course collaborate, it's not like there are federal regulations preventing that from happening.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  I think the snarky point was that the Feds (in theory) exist to provide that sort of coordination.
  - munk-a 6y ago
    That said - it's still a bit amusing that at this point there might need to be some sort of second federal government to make up for the fact that the first one keeps fumbling everything. If only we had a deep state - then maybe we'd get the things that need doing done.
    - nradov 6y ago
      The Western States Pact is in some sense a second parallel federal government. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-california-oregon-washington-in-western-states-pact/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-calif... Of course state governments have previously formed multilateral agreements on other topics such as water rights.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        It's been fascinating to watch several of these pop up, especially the big three (Western, Midwest, and Northeast). https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1253455955666382848 https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1253455955666382848
  - lonelappde 6y ago
    That's not what the Federal Government is for, though, even in theory. The Federal government handles foreign affairs and interstate disputes.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Sure, that’s why we have the Federal Emergency Do-Nothing Agency and the Centers for Disease Non-Control.
    - CydeWeys 6y ago
      A pandemic is very much an interstate problem, so it's in scope even using your narrow and outdated definition of the US government structure.
      - CydeWeys 6y ago
        I just found this very relevant history: 1799 The first quarantine station and hospital in America was built in 1799 at the port of Philadelphia after a yellow fever outbreak in 1793. 1878 The National Quarantine Act was passed in 1878, shifting quarantine powers from state to federal government. 1944 The Public Health Service Act formed the federal government’s quarantine authority in 1944. 1967 CDC (National Communicable Disease Center) took over federal quarantine functions in 1967. 1970s CDC reduced the number of quarantine stations from 55 to 8 because infectious diseases were thought to be a thing of the past. 2004–2007 Number of quarantine stations increased to 20 because of concerns about bioterrorism after World Trade Center attack in 2001 and worldwide spread of disease after SARS outbreak in 2003. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantine-stations-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantine-stations-us.html So fighting pandemics officially became a function of the federal government almost a century and a half ago.
    - qotgalaxy 6y ago
      Yes, it's more of an intrastate disagreement with this particular infectious disease.
- randallsquared 6y ago
  If you learned there were such regulations, would it surprise you? :/
mikem170 6y ago
On the flip side the feds might pick a sub-optimal solution, as opposed to 50 separate independent actors who can try different things and converge on a best answer.

fasteddie31003 6y ago

Why is this inside knowledge? Why does the government not tell people what is in the pipeline?