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Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay A
by codemati 6y ago
Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere.
I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.
- thephyber 6y agoEdit: This post is wrong. I didn't bother to read the article and was off base on most of the facts. Leaving this post only so I can remember my shame. NYC is a single city and county with 350k government employees and they've had a coordinated data effort for nearly a decade. "Bay Area" is like 8 counties and dozens of cities, each which have their own tech stacks and legal teams, pulling their efforts in different directions. I'm disappointed that the state of California hasn't come up with a few APIs which could easily reduce the redundant efforts of tens of thousands of localities. I've been prototyping some ideas to show the state what modern government could be like if there was a coordinated effort.
- joejohnson 6y agoThis dashboard covers all of NY state
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoNYC has five counties and still has some vestiges of county governance like sheriffs.
- papito 6y agoI don't think NYC does. Nassau County, yes - but that's outside of city limits.
- vonmoltke 6y agoEvery borough is a county.
- simmonmt 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Sheriff%27s_Office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Sheriff%27s_Offi...
- KoftaBob 6y agoNYC is a city made up of 5 counties, whereas Los Angeles County is a county made up of several cities. Every state does things differently, so I can see the confusion.
- vmception 6y agoNah, this is about state level data nice explanation though
- tathougies 6y agoNYC is actually within five counties: New York County, Kings County, Bronx County, Queens County, and Richmond County.
- josephorjoe 6y agoAnd each county is a borough. New York = Manhattan Kings = Brooklyn Bronx = The Bronx Queens = Queens Richmond = Staten Island Just to keep things extra complicated...
- CydeWeys 6y agoThe linked webpage covers 62 counties, way more than the Bay Area.
- mcnamaratw 6y agoThis comment and the great edit are a positive combo. They help remind people that California doesn't have uniquely high population density. Without reminders, that assumption tends to go unchecked. Silly (but real) example: I have heard someone say that SJ has higher population per sq mi than Manhattan.
- ruffrey 6y agoInsider knowledge here, but...the tools are rapidly being developed in California.
- CydeWeys 6y agoIt would be great if the states had some kind of united way to collaborate on these efforts rather than individually inventing the wheel 50 times.
- erichocean 6y agoThey can of course collaborate, it's not like there are federal regulations preventing that from happening.
- ceejayoz 6y agoI think the snarky point was that the Feds (in theory) exist to provide that sort of coordination.
- munk-a 6y agoThat said - it's still a bit amusing that at this point there might need to be some sort of second federal government to make up for the fact that the first one keeps fumbling everything. If only we had a deep state - then maybe we'd get the things that need doing done.
- nradov 6y agoThe Western States Pact is in some sense a second parallel federal government. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-california-oregon-washington-in-western-states-pact/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-calif... Of course state governments have previously formed multilateral agreements on other topics such as water rights.
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- mquander 6y agoIt exists for Santa Clara: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/bay-area-health-officer-indicator.aspx https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/bay-area-health-o...
- mbpqd 6y agoSFchronicle seems to be doing a good job with infographic: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Checklist-for-Bay-Area-to-reopen-Charts-track-15260354.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Checklist-for-Ba...
- dmode 6y agoLove this. SF seems to be progressing rapidly towards the goal Edit: Does anyone know why PPE supply is the one metric with little progress ? Seems to be the easiest thing to meet
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- klenwell 6y agoNeither site is clear where the testing capacity goal comes from. For NY, it is 30 per 1k (3%). For Bay Area, it is 200 per 100k (.2%). If my math is right, that's a significant discrepancy. Actually, I see NY's goal is monthly. So I guess that is more like 30 per 1k per 30 days (.1%). There some discussion of necessary testing rates in this NY magazine article: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/white-house-plan-for-ending-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/white-house-plan-for... It looks like .2% is at the low end of most ready-to-reopen requirements. In any event, it looks we're nowhere near a test for anyone who wants one. Also, does anyone know of a good chart that graphs daily new cases vs new tests? It seems like that ratio would be significant, especially when comparing case rates between regions.
- makomk 6y agoAs far as I know, it's still the case that no reasonably-large country is doing much more coronavirus testing than the US right now. The UK is probably just about over the 30 tests per 1k per 30 days mark averaged over a week as of our last testing increase, Germany might still be slightly below it but I haven't seen recent figures from them and they seemed to have stalled out increasing testing, and other countries are similar.
- MiguelVieira 6y agoCalifornia desperately needs something like this.
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- romwell 6y ago>I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area. Keep in mind that the total number of COVID deaths in CA is less than than the number of deaths in NY on a single bad week. While a dashboard like this would be good, I think that an order of magnitude difference warrants perhaps being less disappointed.
- mcnamaratw 6y agoNot disagreeing, but don't forget how fast this thing can grow. It was doubling ... every 2 or 3 days? Smaller infected population buys you weeks of time, but that's all.
- romwell 6y agoExactly. And that's why it's important to remember that CA governor has issued as shelter-in-place order ahead of NY, while we had a 1/10X infection rate, which more than halved the slope of growth on the log scale.
- mcnamaratw 6y agoSure. I think everybody remembers. I imagine the actions by CA's governor not only saved a lot of lives in CA, but probably helped NY get its rear in gear. But I'm saying something different: A full reopen without proper precautions would put CA right where NY was, in a surprisingly short time.
- jeron 6y agoI think that's not the point though. While we're not hit as bad, we should have a reopening dashboard instead of a silly slideshow[1] with some rhetorical questions [1]: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/California-Roadmap-to-Modify-the-Stay-at-Home-Order.pdf https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/California...
- romwell 6y ago>While we're not hit as bad We are not hit as bad because of the actions of the government who has issued the shelter-in-place before NY did, when we had 1/10th the rate of infection. I don't agree with everything the government does, but let's give credit where credit is due. That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental. That give, I'm perfectly willing to cut them some slack.
- gregwebs 6y agoSan Mateo now has a nice dashboard with daily cases and cases per city: https://www.smchealth.org/post/san-mateo-county-covid-19-data-1 https://www.smchealth.org/post/san-mateo-county-covid-19-dat...
- Eridrus 6y agoIs it informative? Where did these numbers come from? Why are they good thresholds? As someone living in NYC, getting to some threshold Cuomo pulled out of his ass doesn't mean anything to me.
- walterbell 6y agoNeed a McKinsey press conference.
- verelo 6y agoIf only there was a team, a national team...tasked with coordinating this effort.
- tick_tock_tick 6y agoThen we'd have it next year instead of some now.
- lonelappde 6y agoA team for tasks, like the Air Force for air and Space Force for space?
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- greglindahl 6y agoLike some kind of team tasked with disease control? Or emergencies.
- elhudy 6y agoLike a health force? It's like space force but for health. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1188956 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna11...
- shadowprofile77 6y agoNow that would be a good idea no? Some sort of, I don't know, decently funded.... center maybe? Set up for disease control.
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- redis_mlc 6y agoNewsom wants to run for President, so expect a timid response from him on re-opening the Calif. economy. Ironically, the Bay Area has close ties to China, so we're probably the closest to herd immunity of any US location. You can look at the local hospital dashboard and see there's no Bay Area corona crisis - the numbers have been the same for 2 months now: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx
- zwily 6y agoYou think Bay Area is closer to herd immunity than NYC?
- esoterica 6y agoThat's not how herd immunity works. If the bay area was close to herd immunity, you would see >NYC level death numbers from there.
- redis_mlc 6y agoNo, the Bay Area corona ramped up starting Dec., so you won't see NY-style weekly death rates. Let me put it this way. If you live in the Bay Area, you know people from Wuhan. We got a huge head start on the rest of America.
- esoterica 6y agoEnough people in NYC have died that you would see the excess mortalities very clearly even if you smeared them out over a few months. Also tests have shown that almost no people in the Bay Area were infected prior to mid-Feb and only a low single digit percentage had antibodies in Santa Clara county as of early April. https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/04/testing-pooled-samples-to-track-early-spread-of-virus.html https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/04/testing-poole... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v... There is no evidence supporting your theory and plenty of strong evidence contradicting it. "Lots of people have Chinese friends and therefore everyone is already infected" is not a convincing line of argument.
- organicfigs 6y agoThere's a guy on the /r/bayarea subreddit that's been doing god's work and providing transparency on all new cases and deaths in our 9 counties.
- raz32dust 6y agoAgreed. Especially with the Musk stunt, too many people in the bay area and CA are questioning the continued SIP, and it would be good for the government to come out really transparent in how they are making the decision.