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“I love my job personally, just tired of feeling like a chess piece,” this [Fremont employee] said. They also said they wouldn’t feel safe assembling cars right

“I love my job personally, just tired of feeling like a chess piece,” this [Fremont employee] said. They also said they wouldn’t feel safe assembling cars right now because it requires such close-quarters work. “We get lured in by the ‘Tesla Dream’ of saving the planet only to get treated so poorly that even though I love my job, I’m not willing to risk my health for him.” Silicon Valley used to be famous for people like Bill Hewlett and David Packard, Andy Grove and Gordon Moore, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. In the latest generation, we have people like Zuck and Peter Thiel and Elon. No wonder our reputation is worse than Wall Street's.

jlbnjmn 6y ago
Serious question. Steve Jobs outsourced the work to FoxConn and others in China, where suicide and rsi were rampant. How is that better?
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  There's likely more to the story, but ordering production from another party is different than directly setting policy.
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boznz 6y ago
I dont think this view represents the majority. My cousin and her husband work there and are quite frankly going gaga at home and chomping at the bit to go back. Although it is a big factory they work quite spaced out in their departments. The health officials in CA must have found some issues they were not aware of, but due to talk tomorrow so will be interesting to see their point of view on the latest developments.
- quotemstr 6y ago
  > I dont think this view represents the majority. The media has developed a bad habit of amplifying the views of tiny discontented activist minorities inside major companies and presenting their opinions (which are often radical) as if they were typical of the majority. After seeing many examples of this kind of total distortion over the years, I simply can't believe any reports about what employees at major companies think.
- syshum 6y ago
  >>The health officials in CA must have found some issues Or the CA Health Officials are drunk with power, and/or have a must lower risk tolerance than the average person We have seen countless arbitrary and illogical conditions and rules placed upon people by government, things like banning chairs on a beach but sitting in the sand is fine, things like keeping lotto sales open but banning the sales of seeds. Arbitrary designation as to what "essential" business means and countless others To me it is more likely that the CA government just wants to mandate and control when things happens and does not like it when people challenge their authority
rowanG077 6y ago
What's your point? It's not like the earlier people are better or worse by any measure.
GuB-42 6y ago
There are may reports of Steve Jobs being an asshole... Silicon Valley in general is full of remarkable people and companies. And it can be both positive and negative. Elon Musk is definitely a smart guy, saying he is a genius is I think, not exaggerated. It doesn't mean he is perfect. In fact, just like Steve Jobs, I think he is an asshole. Zuck gets a lot of flack because of his view on your privacy (you have none), but Facebook often comes off as a great company to work with. So if you are on the topic of how employees are treated, don't put Elon and Zuck in the same bag. Another reason why the old silicon valley was better is that it now has matured. They are not just explorers, they are now in production phase, seeking a sustainable business model for billions of people. The unwashed masses now have access to computers and the internet, and it is a good thing. So naturally, we need different kinds of people, and they tend to be less sympathetic. Explorers are still there, but not as prominent, computing is a mature field now, and not all discoveries are breakthrough.
dekhn 6y ago
Gordon Moore is one of the reasons we have superfund sites all over Mountain View and other parts of Silicon Valley.

jlbnjmn 6y ago

Serious question. Steve Jobs outsourced the work to FoxConn and others in China, where suicide and rsi were rampant. How is that better?

mixmastamyk 6y ago
There's likely more to the story, but ordering production from another party is different than directly setting policy.

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boznz 6y ago

I dont think this view represents the majority. My cousin and her husband work there and are quite frankly going gaga at home and chomping at the bit to go back. Although it is a big factory they work quite spaced out in their departments. The health officials in CA must have found some issues they were not aware of, but due to talk tomorrow so will be interesting to see their point of view on the latest developments.

quotemstr 6y ago
> I dont think this view represents the majority. The media has developed a bad habit of amplifying the views of tiny discontented activist minorities inside major companies and presenting their opinions (which are often radical) as if they were typical of the majority. After seeing many examples of this kind of total distortion over the years, I simply can't believe any reports about what employees at major companies think.
syshum 6y ago
>>The health officials in CA must have found some issues Or the CA Health Officials are drunk with power, and/or have a must lower risk tolerance than the average person We have seen countless arbitrary and illogical conditions and rules placed upon people by government, things like banning chairs on a beach but sitting in the sand is fine, things like keeping lotto sales open but banning the sales of seeds. Arbitrary designation as to what "essential" business means and countless others To me it is more likely that the CA government just wants to mandate and control when things happens and does not like it when people challenge their authority

rowanG077 6y ago

What's your point? It's not like the earlier people are better or worse by any measure.

GuB-42 6y ago

There are may reports of Steve Jobs being an asshole... Silicon Valley in general is full of remarkable people and companies. And it can be both positive and negative. Elon Musk is definitely a smart guy, saying he is a genius is I think, not exaggerated. It doesn't mean he is perfect. In fact, just like Steve Jobs, I think he is an asshole. Zuck gets a lot of flack because of his view on your privacy (you have none), but Facebook often comes off as a great company to work with. So if you are on the topic of how employees are treated, don't put Elon and Zuck in the same bag. Another reason why the old silicon valley was better is that it now has matured. They are not just explorers, they are now in production phase, seeking a sustainable business model for billions of people. The unwashed masses now have access to computers and the internet, and it is a good thing. So naturally, we need different kinds of people, and they tend to be less sympathetic. Explorers are still there, but not as prominent, computing is a mature field now, and not all discoveries are breakthrough.

dekhn 6y ago

Gordon Moore is one of the reasons we have superfund sites all over Mountain View and other parts of Silicon Valley.