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> And the "muslim minority" stuff is just alarmist (and, frankly, semi-racist) political spin. Islam is not a race. > Past the third generation, minorities st

> And the "muslim minority" stuff is just alarmist (and, frankly, semi-racist) political spin. Islam is not a race. > Past the third generation, minorities stop being minorities. They become culturally indistinguishable from the overall society Where are you from? This has not been the case with Muslims in Europe at large. > Do you see the point? In 50 years, all this "ZOMG Muslims!" mania is going to look equally dumb. If all that scary stuff didn't kill us, what are a few muslims going to accomplish? How much do you know about Islam and its history? Islam and the Western culture are fundamentally incompatible.

ajross 18y ago
You miss the point. A few generations back there was no "western culture". There were protestants (here in the US, the "good guys") and the Other People: catholics and jews, who didn't share "our" values. They were fundamentally incompatible with our culture, and didn't belong here. The same is true now, it's just the faces that have changed. I know quite a few muslims, actually, of varying levels of religious devotion and professional development. You might be surprised to learn that none of them are terrorists or militants. I dare say I know more about Islam than you do, honestly.
- kingkongrevenge 18y ago
  > A few generations back there was no "western culture". Huh? Try as far back as the Gallic Wars. There has been a concept of The West for over 1500 years. You are aware of the Crusades?
johnyzee 18y ago
> > Past the third generation, minorities stop being minorities. They become culturally indistinguishable from the overall society > Where are you from? This has not been the case with Muslims in Europe at large. Premature. The third generation is generally less than ten years old at this point.
wallflower 18y ago
> They become culturally indistinguishable from the overall society False. I rode a bike around Brussels, Belgium. To see the famous Comic book/Tin Tin murals. I got lost. It was scary to venture into the Muslim/Asian ghettos (ghetto defined here as a location in a city where a minority group lives because of social, economic, or legal pressures). I definitely felt like an outsider (and cursed not having a GPS). The opposite of a touristy-area.

ajross 18y ago

You miss the point. A few generations back there was no "western culture". There were protestants (here in the US, the "good guys") and the Other People: catholics and jews, who didn't share "our" values. They were fundamentally incompatible with our culture, and didn't belong here. The same is true now, it's just the faces that have changed. I know quite a few muslims, actually, of varying levels of religious devotion and professional development. You might be surprised to learn that none of them are terrorists or militants. I dare say I know more about Islam than you do, honestly.

kingkongrevenge 18y ago
> A few generations back there was no "western culture". Huh? Try as far back as the Gallic Wars. There has been a concept of The West for over 1500 years. You are aware of the Crusades?

johnyzee 18y ago

> > Past the third generation, minorities stop being minorities. They become culturally indistinguishable from the overall society > Where are you from? This has not been the case with Muslims in Europe at large. Premature. The third generation is generally less than ten years old at this point.

wallflower 18y ago

> They become culturally indistinguishable from the overall society False. I rode a bike around Brussels, Belgium. To see the famous Comic book/Tin Tin murals. I got lost. It was scary to venture into the Muslim/Asian ghettos (ghetto defined here as a location in a city where a minority group lives because of social, economic, or legal pressures). I definitely felt like an outsider (and cursed not having a GPS). The opposite of a touristy-area.