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To me, it's counter-intuitive that people would pay $100 for a course on such a niche topic such as NextJS. My experience with these courses is that they provid

To me, it's counter-intuitive that people would pay $100 for a course on such a niche topic such as NextJS. My experience with these courses is that they provide all that's available for free (typically docs), but nicely packaged and with videos. And, especially if it is on a custom platform like this one, I'd be worried about them being kept up to date.

leerob 6y ago
Here's how I look at it. You're absolutely right you can learn everything on your own––but how long would it take? How much is your time worth? Is $100 for five hours of video worth the years of experience the author might have? For me, it is.
- batesy 6y ago
  Bingo. It also is a forcing function to spend the time learning - once I've paid money, I am more committed to seeing it through rather than flip-flopping around to different tutorials, etc.
- ansq 6y ago
  +1. You can easily turn 10 hours of connecting the dots into 2 hours with the right materials. Though in my experience, the courses on Udemy/Udacity and the like have been disappointing. I always get the feeling that they're trying to fill up time, and they tend to move really slowly. I've had more luck with books being very useful.
  - leerob 6y ago
    I have mixed feelings about Udemy. On one hand, it's a large platform with lots of interested customers. On the other, courses are often heavily discounted and priced very low. 50+ hours of content for $20? You have to treat your audience like they're both smart and busy. I don't have time for that. I'd rather pay $100 for 5 hours of good content.
  - BossingAround 6y ago
    I often go through these "amazing courses", everything makes sense, everything works, and then I'm unable to do anything other than what the course showed. So, I'm still forced to spend some hours outside of the course to really learn. This 2-hour-course vs 10-hour-learning is a false dichotomy to me.
    - ansq 6y ago
      YMMV. I chose 'materials' instead of courses specifically since I've found books to be more useful. A course, or any kind of structured learning, is just a foundation. I would still expect to spend hours outside of the course, but with a good background I can now search for more specific things than if I had started w/ a blank slate.
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
One of the primary things is that one doesn't know what is authoritative, and what is just some random kooks ramblings. In theory a certified course, from known academics (say), gets over that hurdle. It also allows you to put something on a CV (ie resumé), and allows you to check reviews first if it's a proper course (to measure how decent the course materials will be for you). If you don't follow a proper course you don't know what you missed; learning is improved with expert guidance of the pupil.
- leerob 6y ago
  Great points. I've taken a few online courses and always had unexpected insights. For example, in a niche programming course, I learned valuable information about SEO. The expertise of a great teacher can impact you more than you'd expect.
bdcravens 6y ago
There's the obvious time savings, but to me there's additional value. Docs tend not to be learning focused, and you'll end up reading a lot that doesn't matter for your desired result. We get paid for business objectives, not framework knowledge. Additionally, there's so much docs don't cover, in terms of standard opinions and best practices (eg, "Where the f* should I put this file?!") that experienced practitioners can guide you.
- leerob 6y ago
  100% agreed. I always prefer a real-world approach like building an application from start to finish. A great example of docs I found recently was RedwoodJS: https://redwoodjs.com/tutorial https://redwoodjs.com/tutorial
notechback 6y ago
Another view might be that this means you are investing in the community behind it and some of the leading people who hopefully will help to ensure that the project lives on.
econcon 6y ago
There are always naysayers or people who simply do not believe your idea can potentially work. I was there recently, some guys told me you can't make filament at home cheaper than what you can get from Amazon. And then I made my own filament: https://medium.com/endless-filament/make-your-filament-at-home-for-cheap-6c908bb09922 https://medium.com/endless-filament/make-your-filament-at-ho... Now I am selling my filament on e-commerce websites under my own brand name and making good money, I'll clear $4000+ in sales this month alone.

leerob 6y ago

Here's how I look at it. You're absolutely right you can learn everything on your own––but how long would it take? How much is your time worth? Is $100 for five hours of video worth the years of experience the author might have? For me, it is.

batesy 6y ago
Bingo. It also is a forcing function to spend the time learning - once I've paid money, I am more committed to seeing it through rather than flip-flopping around to different tutorials, etc.
ansq 6y ago
+1. You can easily turn 10 hours of connecting the dots into 2 hours with the right materials. Though in my experience, the courses on Udemy/Udacity and the like have been disappointing. I always get the feeling that they're trying to fill up time, and they tend to move really slowly. I've had more luck with books being very useful.
- leerob 6y ago
  I have mixed feelings about Udemy. On one hand, it's a large platform with lots of interested customers. On the other, courses are often heavily discounted and priced very low. 50+ hours of content for $20? You have to treat your audience like they're both smart and busy. I don't have time for that. I'd rather pay $100 for 5 hours of good content.
- BossingAround 6y ago
  I often go through these "amazing courses", everything makes sense, everything works, and then I'm unable to do anything other than what the course showed. So, I'm still forced to spend some hours outside of the course to really learn. This 2-hour-course vs 10-hour-learning is a false dichotomy to me.
  - ansq 6y ago
    YMMV. I chose 'materials' instead of courses specifically since I've found books to be more useful. A course, or any kind of structured learning, is just a foundation. I would still expect to spend hours outside of the course, but with a good background I can now search for more specific things than if I had started w/ a blank slate.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago

One of the primary things is that one doesn't know what is authoritative, and what is just some random kooks ramblings. In theory a certified course, from known academics (say), gets over that hurdle. It also allows you to put something on a CV (ie resumé), and allows you to check reviews first if it's a proper course (to measure how decent the course materials will be for you). If you don't follow a proper course you don't know what you missed; learning is improved with expert guidance of the pupil.

leerob 6y ago
Great points. I've taken a few online courses and always had unexpected insights. For example, in a niche programming course, I learned valuable information about SEO. The expertise of a great teacher can impact you more than you'd expect.

bdcravens 6y ago

There's the obvious time savings, but to me there's additional value. Docs tend not to be learning focused, and you'll end up reading a lot that doesn't matter for your desired result. We get paid for business objectives, not framework knowledge. Additionally, there's so much docs don't cover, in terms of standard opinions and best practices (eg, "Where the f* should I put this file?!") that experienced practitioners can guide you.

leerob 6y ago
100% agreed. I always prefer a real-world approach like building an application from start to finish. A great example of docs I found recently was RedwoodJS: https://redwoodjs.com/tutorial https://redwoodjs.com/tutorial

notechback 6y ago

Another view might be that this means you are investing in the community behind it and some of the leading people who hopefully will help to ensure that the project lives on.

econcon 6y ago

There are always naysayers or people who simply do not believe your idea can potentially work. I was there recently, some guys told me you can't make filament at home cheaper than what you can get from Amazon. And then I made my own filament: https://medium.com/endless-filament/make-your-filament-at-home-for-cheap-6c908bb09922 https://medium.com/endless-filament/make-your-filament-at-ho... Now I am selling my filament on e-commerce websites under my own brand name and making good money, I'll clear $4000+ in sales this month alone.