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> to the name of his kid Have you seen his girlfriend? Given her aesthetics and creative output, you should be glad the name can even be expressed in unicode

> to the name of his kid Have you seen his girlfriend? Given her aesthetics and creative output, you should be glad the name can even be expressed in unicode. Musk probably moderated it, if anything. > tweets manipulating stock prices The stock price which is now... close to 2x the exaggerated $420 claim? Yeah, maybe he knew something you didn't. > claims of forsaking possessions This is for a good reason -- he needs cash to exercise the TSLA options he was just granted. He's stock-rich but cash-poor. The choices are either take on massive debt to exercise them, or free up cash ASAP. This is fine. > false claims about constitutional guarantees of limitless freedom Yeah... gonna need a cite here. > to the flagrant disregard for the health and safety of his employees He has different risk/reward beliefs than you. If he was working from home while his employees sweated unsafely on the factory line, that's one thing -- but he's also been in the office working beside them the whole time. He cares about what he's trying to do, and his risk/reward function is "fuck it". Did any of his employees honestly expect any less, when they joined? > He once seemed to be the savoir of humanity He's doing the same thing he's always done. His belief is that stopping global warming and getting humans off of earth take 100% precedence over anything else. Including, a 0-1% risk of death from disease. The same reason he's pushing to put astronauts in space -- the future is worth taking risks for. If believed in Musk in the good times, you should have understood that he'd hold the same principles in the bad times. It's the rest of the world that blinked, not Elon.

dkersten 7y ago
> The stock price which is now... close to 2x the exaggerated $420 claim? Yeah, maybe he knew something you didn't. That.. doesn't mean it wasn't stock manipulation. Its not really about the stock price, its about whether he caused people to buy or sell based on false claims or information. > He has different risk/reward beliefs than you. If he was working from home while his employees sweated unsafely on the factory line, that's one thing -- but he's also been in the office working beside them the whole time. He cares about what he's trying to do, and his risk/reward function is "fuck it". That doesn't make it ok, nor does it mean his employees don't feel pressured to go against their own risk/reward beliefs. There have been plenty of stories of Musk flippantly firing people for not "working hard enough". You might say well people who work there have other options and could choose to work elsewhere, but is it really a real choice if the person otherwise believes strongly in the mission, or is blinded by Musk's personal brand, or otherwise loves their job, or is worried about the economy due to pandemic. There are plenty of reasons why someone might feel pressured to work even if they do not feel its safe. The risk/reward function for a billionaire is not the same as for the average person working for him. Just because he thinks "fuck it" doesn't make it ok to put his employees at risk.
uberman 7y ago
> Musk probably moderated it, if anything. Musk's contribution to the name of his kid is "A-12", Though apparently neither parent can actually say this poor kid's name. > Yeah, maybe he knew something you didn't You understand that this type of stock manipulation is illegal right? As a result of prior tweets, Musk is now required (by the SEC and with agreement by Musk and his legal team in April) to have Tesla pre-approve his tweets related to it. Yet despite this, he continues to tweet his opinions about the stock price. Opinions clearly designed to and that have manipulated the price of the stock. > he needs cash to exercise the TSLA options Musk actually stated that he is selling his possessions and explicitly clarified that he does not need cash but because "possessions just weigh you down". Though to be fair, when pressed by the courts to potentially pay for something his response is typically that he is broke. I would love to tell my kid's college that we are "broke" as well because our stock portfolio and investments should not be considered liquid assets. > Yeah... gonna need a cite here. Musk has repeatedly referred to "shelter in place" requests/orders as fascist forcible imprisonment, further stating that these orders are unconstitutional. Here is a direct quote: "... the shelter-in-place, and frankly I would call it forcibly imprisoning people in their homes against all their constitutional rights..." Has anyone actually been arrested in the USA for leaving their home? Not that I am aware of. These orders/requests are certainly not any kind of "forced imprisonment"! Constitutionally, like most amendments, rights granted by the first are not limitless. Every person should reasonably understand that. If you believe (as Musk apparently does) that the Constitution grants liberties without limits, please check case law. Further, the federal government has delegated the authority to quarantine explicitly to the states indicating that there is clearly no constitutional guarantee of "freedom from quarantine". A state by state summary can be found here: https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-is... When you talk about Musk having different risk/reward beliefs that is clear. The safety record at Tesla generally compares poorly with other manufacturers. Nissan and Toyota plants cited in a Forbes article in March 2019 combined for 9 safety violations while the Tesla plant had 54. His demands that works continue despite orders from the government to cease out of public health concerns shows that his priority is money not Americans. Abuse is abuse and never excusable under the premise that employees should have known what they were signing up for. It does not matter if Musk is passionate about the results. CEOs tend to be passionate about the results, particularly when they like to tweet about them. I did not even bother to mention "The pedo guy fiasco", his "C-PAP respirator" solution, or his live interview while smoking weed. These are the behaviors of a 70s era rock star, not those of the CEO of a multi-billion dollar manufacturing empire. I personally believe Musk has been acting increasingly erratic for months.

dkersten 7y ago

> The stock price which is now... close to 2x the exaggerated $420 claim? Yeah, maybe he knew something you didn't. That.. doesn't mean it wasn't stock manipulation. Its not really about the stock price, its about whether he caused people to buy or sell based on false claims or information. > He has different risk/reward beliefs than you. If he was working from home while his employees sweated unsafely on the factory line, that's one thing -- but he's also been in the office working beside them the whole time. He cares about what he's trying to do, and his risk/reward function is "fuck it". That doesn't make it ok, nor does it mean his employees don't feel pressured to go against their own risk/reward beliefs. There have been plenty of stories of Musk flippantly firing people for not "working hard enough". You might say well people who work there have other options and could choose to work elsewhere, but is it really a real choice if the person otherwise believes strongly in the mission, or is blinded by Musk's personal brand, or otherwise loves their job, or is worried about the economy due to pandemic. There are plenty of reasons why someone might feel pressured to work even if they do not feel its safe. The risk/reward function for a billionaire is not the same as for the average person working for him. Just because he thinks "fuck it" doesn't make it ok to put his employees at risk.

uberman 7y ago

> Musk probably moderated it, if anything. Musk's contribution to the name of his kid is "A-12", Though apparently neither parent can actually say this poor kid's name. > Yeah, maybe he knew something you didn't You understand that this type of stock manipulation is illegal right? As a result of prior tweets, Musk is now required (by the SEC and with agreement by Musk and his legal team in April) to have Tesla pre-approve his tweets related to it. Yet despite this, he continues to tweet his opinions about the stock price. Opinions clearly designed to and that have manipulated the price of the stock. > he needs cash to exercise the TSLA options Musk actually stated that he is selling his possessions and explicitly clarified that he does not need cash but because "possessions just weigh you down". Though to be fair, when pressed by the courts to potentially pay for something his response is typically that he is broke. I would love to tell my kid's college that we are "broke" as well because our stock portfolio and investments should not be considered liquid assets. > Yeah... gonna need a cite here. Musk has repeatedly referred to "shelter in place" requests/orders as fascist forcible imprisonment, further stating that these orders are unconstitutional. Here is a direct quote: "... the shelter-in-place, and frankly I would call it forcibly imprisoning people in their homes against all their constitutional rights..." Has anyone actually been arrested in the USA for leaving their home? Not that I am aware of. These orders/requests are certainly not any kind of "forced imprisonment"! Constitutionally, like most amendments, rights granted by the first are not limitless. Every person should reasonably understand that. If you believe (as Musk apparently does) that the Constitution grants liberties without limits, please check case law. Further, the federal government has delegated the authority to quarantine explicitly to the states indicating that there is clearly no constitutional guarantee of "freedom from quarantine". A state by state summary can be found here: https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-is... When you talk about Musk having different risk/reward beliefs that is clear. The safety record at Tesla generally compares poorly with other manufacturers. Nissan and Toyota plants cited in a Forbes article in March 2019 combined for 9 safety violations while the Tesla plant had 54. His demands that works continue despite orders from the government to cease out of public health concerns shows that his priority is money not Americans. Abuse is abuse and never excusable under the premise that employees should have known what they were signing up for. It does not matter if Musk is passionate about the results. CEOs tend to be passionate about the results, particularly when they like to tweet about them. I did not even bother to mention "The pedo guy fiasco", his "C-PAP respirator" solution, or his live interview while smoking weed. These are the behaviors of a 70s era rock star, not those of the CEO of a multi-billion dollar manufacturing empire. I personally believe Musk has been acting increasingly erratic for months.