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This topic is quickly going downhill in the comments, but I just wanted to clear some stuff up because there seems to be some "what he said isn't that bad!" Pe

This topic is quickly going downhill in the comments, but I just wanted to clear some stuff up because there seems to be some "what he said isn't that bad!" People wrongly think he said women are bad or stupid but that's not what he did say. He also didn't -just- say men and women are different. He did say a 5-10% difference in certain traits is why there are huge discrepancies of women in leadership and science/engineering positions. And maybe that's ok and we should just let it be. Sorry, but "girls don't like to make hard choices or do 'nerdy' things" isn't a real thing. Hundreds of years of "stay in the kitchen" is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. It's not biological.

exogeny 6y ago
Be careful. This thread is already full of sensitive dudes who resent the idea that maybe, just maybe, they've gotten to their grand positions because of subtle biases that negatively affected other cohorts while benefiting them. The fragility is oh so very, very real.
missingrib 6y ago
>Sorry, but "girls don't like to make hard choices or do 'nerdy' things" isn't a real thing. Hundreds of years of "stay in the kitchen" is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. It's not biological. Why do you think that?
zozbot234 6y ago
> is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. The difference in interests is biggest in the most "proactive" countries, those that try the hardest to help women reach social equality with men. It's obviously not "biological", but it looks like some complex interaction of subtle social dynamics, not just women being told to "stay in the kitchen".
sz4kerto 6y ago
> Hundreds of years of "stay in the kitchen" is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. It's not biological. This is what the debate is about -- can we accept these kind of ex cathedra declarations without data or not.
ralfd 6y ago
80% of students of veterinary medicine are women. 75% of students in psychology are women. It is simple math: Any woman who studies to become a teacher, counselor or social worker can not study to become an engineer. Being a programmer is not competing with "stay in the kitchen". It is competing with this: https://www.eastvalleyanimalclinic.com/sites/site-6136/images/Staff%20photo%202017-2.jpg https://www.eastvalleyanimalclinic.com/sites/site-6136/image...

exogeny 6y ago

Be careful. This thread is already full of sensitive dudes who resent the idea that maybe, just maybe, they've gotten to their grand positions because of subtle biases that negatively affected other cohorts while benefiting them. The fragility is oh so very, very real.

missingrib 6y ago

>Sorry, but "girls don't like to make hard choices or do 'nerdy' things" isn't a real thing. Hundreds of years of "stay in the kitchen" is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. It's not biological. Why do you think that?

zozbot234 6y ago

> is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. The difference in interests is biggest in the most "proactive" countries, those that try the hardest to help women reach social equality with men. It's obviously not "biological", but it looks like some complex interaction of subtle social dynamics, not just women being told to "stay in the kitchen".

sz4kerto 6y ago

> Hundreds of years of "stay in the kitchen" is what proactive programs to bring women into these positions are trying to reverse. It's not biological. This is what the debate is about -- can we accept these kind of ex cathedra declarations without data or not.

ralfd 6y ago

80% of students of veterinary medicine are women. 75% of students in psychology are women. It is simple math: Any woman who studies to become a teacher, counselor or social worker can not study to become an engineer. Being a programmer is not competing with "stay in the kitchen". It is competing with this: https://www.eastvalleyanimalclinic.com/sites/site-6136/images/Staff%20photo%202017-2.jpg https://www.eastvalleyanimalclinic.com/sites/site-6136/image...