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Damore does not fit into the neat ideological right or left classification but it would be impossible for an institution like Bloomberg to have nuance on this i
by look_lookatme 6y ago
Damore does not fit into the neat ideological right or left classification but it would be impossible for an institution like Bloomberg to have nuance on this issue. Just because some deplorable lifted him up doesn't mean he should be defined specifically on an ideological axis.
But, of course, who gives a fuck. The rage machine rages on.
- azinman2 6y agoBut he did become an alt-right / Fox News / conservative machine darling.
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- whatshisface 6y agoOf course, "I have to hate it because opposing media likes it" is no more rational than "I have to like it because allied media likes it."
- look_lookatme 6y agoAnd Snowden defected to Russia. Sometimes you just have to go where you are free to state your case and not be shouted down which sometimes means an enemy-of-my-enemy scenario.
- seemslegit 6y agoSnowden did not "defect to Russia", he got stuck in Russia while in transit after the US cancelled his passport.
- dijit 6y agoSeems like you and the parent are agreeing.
- seemslegit 6y agoMaybe, but I think Snowden would have preferred to be pretty much anywhere else while Dammer was just too inexperienced to recognize that being popular in some circles is more of a liability than asset.
- CydeWeys 6y agoAnd crucially, Snowden is as critical of Russia as possible, though not to the point of endangering himself. He doesn't want to be there. It's not where his allegiance ultimately lies.
- seemslegit 6y agoThat's not crucial at all, if he was a Russian asset he would have been behaving the same way - criticising Russia in ways that resonate with his audience to establish credibility but not in ways that actually pose any threat or embarrassment to Russia. But on the balance of publicly available evidence it seems far more likely he is stuck there due to lack of choice.
- jki275 6y agoYour timeline is wrong. Snowden defected to Russia. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483143143 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden...
- seemslegit 6y agologin wall
- mardifoufs 6y agoThat's an opinion article.
- jki275 6y agoIt has a timeline. His passport was suspended while he was in Hong Kong. He did not travel to Moscow on his US passport, he travelled to Moscow on some other travel document. He’s a defector. I know this site is full of Snowden apologists, but for goodness sake you don’t have to swallow every easily disprovable lie he tells.
- seemslegit 6y agoDepending on the mechanics of passport cancellation it could have been both, that is the US could have issued a cancelation order while he was still in HK but HK either did not act on it in time or refused to honor it like it did with Snowden's arrest warrant. The fact that Russia did honor the passport cancellation and did not issue him an alternative travel document is more suggestive but would have been the same if Russia just wanted to hang on to him for the simple reasons of being Russia.
- jki275 6y agoNo. Lol. You’re on the run from the US because you committed espionage, and you fly to Russia? That’s called defecting.
- koheripbal 6y agoIf Fox praised Obama, would that immediately make him alt-right?
- azinman2 6y agoIf over and over again they praised and held him up as a symbol fighting for some ideology they espoused, and some enemy (media/ideology also identified over and over) supposedly tried to silence him, then I suppose it’d be analogous? I’m not sure what that proves.
- ekianjo 6y agoYou have to consider the possibility that they were the only people who he could actually talk to. Not that he wanted to be in such channels in the first place.
- convery 6y agoMy first thought as well. You see liberals invited onto conservative outlets for genuine debates / opinions. Rarely see liberal outlets do the same as guilt by association, causing anyone who's ever been in the same room as an 'alt-right' to be tainted, seem to be rampant.
- crowbahr 6y agoMost news agencies besides Fox struggle to get Republicans to agree to appear on the show. CNN famously lambasted Republican lawmakers for refusing to appear after the shootings in Dayton and El Paso last year. What you have described is that liberal lawmakers are willing to face adversarial news coverage while conservatives are unwilling to do so.
- convery 6y agoThe comment was not about lawmakers though, plenty of conservative pundits / people like Damore that want to share their stuff but are treated like they're radioactive.
- fzeroracer 6y agoDamore was invited to share his thoughts by the media. By his own admission, he turned them down. So what exactly is your point in this scenario?
- ausbah 6y ago"genuine debates" on conservative outlets, like what? Fox News? talk radio? a dingy YouTube channel?
- sacks2k 6y agoIt's pretty well known that if you go on Fox news, the other news organizations like CNN, MSNBC, etc will ban you from their station. Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew have talked about this on their podcast and so have many other people interviewed by Fox news. This creates the false impression of "Fox News darlings" and ends up furthering the "us vs them" narrative.
- DonHopkins 6y agoPerhaps it's actually because Dr. Drew, Dr. Oz, and Dr. Phil are dangerous self-promoting quacks who dispense deadly medical advice, and CNN, MSNBC, etc have a problem with that, but Fox News loves it. Looks like CNN etc made the right call. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/04/17/dr-oz-dr-drew-dr-phil-fox-news-misleading-claims-orig.cnn-business https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/04/17/dr-oz-dr-... >Dr. Oz, Dr. Drew and Dr. Phil made these claims on Fox News. Now they're backtracking >TV hosts Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Drew Pinsky and Phil McGraw have all appeared on Fox News and made these misleading claims about coronavirus. Now, all of them are backtracking.
- manigandham 6y agoCNN had Richard Spencer, the nationally recognized neo-nazi white supremacist, on prime time. As of 2020, there is no mainstream news that has any reputation for moral superiority and truth.
- bobmcbobface 6y agoIronic
- lawnchair_larry 6y agoSo did liberal professor Bret Weinstein when the extremist mob attacked him in Washington for daring to show up to teach while being white. As in Damore’s case, this says more about the mob than the subject.
- duxup 6y agoDo we know his politics to say he is or isn't a thing? I think the story just notes that he got a lot of positive attention from some specific groups.
- look_lookatme 6y agoHeadlines matter.
- duxup 6y agoI think the crazy nature of things now very much means you can become some groups hero overnight..... potentially not of your own choice. Accordingly I don't see the headline telling me what he personally thinks.
- look_lookatme 6y agoOh come on are you serious? The alignment with "Right-Wing" in the headline of a story that more or less has nothing to do with that and is about the end of a lawsuit isn't intentional?
- duxup 6y agoI remember the story being picked up by a lot of such news outlets. Thus the story tells me it is the same guy I remember. Is mentioning that a problem?
- mrep 6y agoOr some groups villain. It's especially crazy considering the first article posted was the gizmodo one [0] which was "reproduced in full below, with some minor formatting modifications. Two charts and several hyperlinks are also omitted" and if you look at an original [1], you can see that it was actually completely reformatted, all charts were removed, and all 35 hyperlinks were removed. I've heard of journalists selectively quoting people but this is a whole nother level. [0]: https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320 https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-di... [1]: https://thefederalist.com/2017/08/08/read-the-google-diversity-memo-that-that-everyone-is-freaking-out-about/ https://thefederalist.com/2017/08/08/read-the-google-diversi...
- muglug 6y agoHe chose to appear on at least one show that routinely promotes white-nationalist talking points – I don't think his politics is really much of a question.
- NullPrefix 6y agoWhite nationalist as in kkk or white nationalist as in conservative?
- akiselev 6y agoWhite nationalist as in nationalist conservative [1]. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/national-conservatism-conference/594202/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/nationa...
- mrscottson 6y agoI don't think there is a big difference between these two groups.
- muglug 6y agoWhite nationalist as in Stefan Molyneux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux#Alt-right,_racism_and_white_supremacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux#Alt-right,_rac...
- dntbnmpls 6y agoThat wiki reads like someone who is very objective wrote it. /s I wonder which journalist/journalists wrote that wiki article. When it comes to political topics, wikipedia is as unreliable as the news sources listed in that wiki article.
- muglug 6y agoIt's not just journalists who think that Stefan Molyneux is an absolute nutcase.
- belltaco 6y ago>Damore does not fit into the neat ideological right or left classification Lets see, his lawyer for this suit who is quoted a lot in the article: >Harmeet Kaur Dhillon is an American lawyer and Republican Party official. She is the former vice chairwoman of the California Republican Party, and the National Committeewoman of the Republican National Committee for California. Wonder if it was pro-bono.
- coffeeboy27 6y agoDamore hasn't said much of his idealogical beliefs publicly and I think it's unfair to criticize him on his choice of legal counsel because he just wants to be well represented which is his right. Regardless of your political beliefs Dhillon is an accomplished attorney. Other attorneys on the left in California don't want to touch the case because of the pearl-clutchers and public political implications so the enemy of your enemy becomes your friend.
- paulcole 6y ago> Damore hasn't said much of his idealogical beliefs publicly That’s all he needs to say to make his beliefs clear. If the whole country (minus some “open-minded” tech bros) thinks you’re a sexist jackass and you do nothing to correct them, I wonder...
- tyingq 6y ago"Wonder if it was pro-bono." It was originally a class action[1]...that case still exists, just without Damore as the lead plaintiff. So, perhaps originally on contingency. [1] https://www.dhillonlaw.com/blog/news/google-damore/case-update/ https://www.dhillonlaw.com/blog/news/google-damore/case-upda...
- varjag 6y agoHis political standing is fairly transparent.
- afiori 6y agoIf that is meant to say moderate then I agree.
- pgcj_poster 6y ago“Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center” —Benito Mussolini
- banads 6y agoCan you explain what this means?
- jpxw 6y agoMussolini essentially saw the left-right spectrum as useless. I think he was correct about this. The fact that both fascism and anarcho capitalism are classified as being on the right indicates the spectrum is a gross oversimplification.
- pgcj_poster 6y agoFascists and Anarcho-Capitalists have certain abstract philosophical differences, but in practice, their actual behaviors are almost identical. Most (Fascists|Anarcho-Capitalists) are young, white males who use the internet way too much and either don't vote, or vote Republican. Even among their intellectuals, there's a lot more overlap than you would assume: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe. The left-rights spectrum isn't supposed to capture the details of everyone's ideology: a spectrum that did that would be some kind of 20-dimensional hypercube. It's just supposed to capture who take who's side when it comes to that.
- markdog12 6y ago> young, white males who use the internet way too much What does "use the internet way too much" mean?
- Daishiman 6y agoIt means they don't socialize, are not pragmatic, have little understanding of the issues most people actually care about, lack the capacity to empathize with people with radically different life experiences.