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the X series and the T series are some of the best laptops ever built unless your work requires you to use macOS, you have no reason to buy a Macbook

by adtac 6y ago

tokamak-teapot 6y ago
My sanity requires it.
RussianCow 6y ago
> unless your work requires you to use macOS, you have no reason to buy a Macbook If hardware is all that matters to you, sure. But some people actually prefer the software experience of macOS to that of Windows, for a variety of reasons.
- Insanity 6y ago
  You can get Linux on those devices too
  - RussianCow 6y ago
    That's true, and it's really wonderful that you have that option, but it doesn't help if you prefer the software experience of macOS and/or need software that doesn't run on Linux.
    - stratosmacker 6y ago
      I just have to say sometimes you can have it all http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/ http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/
      - ricketycricket 6y ago
        Or, perhaps not http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/mojave/ http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/mojave/
        jlgaddis 6y ago
        High Sierra (10.13) will continue to receive security updates until nearly the end of this year.
      - anewguy9000 6y ago
        would also like to just leave this here: https://www.photopea.com/ https://www.photopea.com/
        jlgaddis 6y ago
        Please pick that up and deposit it properly in the garbage bin.
- tincholio 6y ago
  I'm running Linux on my X1, works like a charm (and I find myself using my Macbook Pro less and less)
- asveikau 6y ago
  Typing this from FreeBSD on mine. I used to run OpenBSD on a laptop (not this one) and that was great too.
- rla3rd 6y ago
  i'm running Ubuntu 20.04 on my Thinkpad P2 Gen 2 laptop, using the Budgie Desktop. I'd guess my entire workflow is 95% the same coming from my MBP.
  - RussianCow 6y ago
    There is still the issue of software. Lots of programs that professionals use on a daily basis don't run on Linux and don't have good alternatives that do. Plus, macOS is much better designed and integrated (if that means anything to you), and generally more stable[0]. [0]: This seems to be less true every year, both because desktop Linux is becoming more stable over time, and because macOS seems to get buggier with every release. Still, as someone that uses both operating systems on a regular basis, my MacBook Pro is still marginally more stable than my Linux desktop machine on average.
    - philliphaydon 6y ago
      > and generally more stable People say this yet still use Adobe software on macOS over windows. Despite the fact adobe software runs horribly on macOS compared to windows. If you buy a Mac for using adobe software you’re definitely not buying it for workflow.
      - RussianCow 6y ago
        First, I was talking about software that doesn't run on Linux but does run macOS, for the case where you don't want to use Windows but still need certain programs. For those users, the Windows "workflow" is already a deal-breaker, as is the lack of professional software on Linux, so macOS is the only choice.[0] I also didn't call out any specific software because there is lots of it besides the Adobe suite. Second, can you elaborate? What makes Adobe run "horribly" on macOS? I admit I haven't used an Adobe product in years, but I used to do some design as part of my job, and I can't say it worked any worse on my Mac than it did on my Windows machine. [0]: I recognize that this isn't necessarily a huge segment of users, but I for one would be hard-pressed to go back to Windows, even if it saved me a thousand bucks on a laptop.
shrimp_emoji 6y ago
And, if you use Linux, ThinkPads have a good track record at compatibility. They even have a page with "certified supported" versions: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426 https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426 Recently, they've even partnered with Red Hat to ship Fedora on some laptops by default: https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-lapt...
- affyboi 6y ago
  I'm switching back to a macbook now, but I used to run a T480s with the WQHD screen and it worked really well. Good battery life, nice HIDPI screen, super durable. I brought it with me when I traveled and everything, never had any issues besides scratching the outside surface.
  - freedomben 6y ago
    Why are you switching back to a macbook?
foldr 6y ago
The touchpad, speakers and display are significantly better on the MacBook. Also, Apple sell their hardware products at a single, clearly advertized price point. I hate how Lenovo make you fuss around with discount codes to get a fair price.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  Lenovo is mainly a B2B company: their target customers are big corporations, they don't really do a good job when it comes to direct-to-consumers services.
- numpad0 6y ago
  Display always had been the Achilles’ heel on ThinkPad but anyone who use trackpad and speaker heavily on a ThinkPad is a peasant.

the X series and the T series are some of the best laptops ever built unless your work requires you to use macOS, you have no reason to buy a Macbook

by adtac 6y ago

the X series and the T series are some of the best laptops ever built unless your work requires you to use macOS, you have no reason to buy a Macbook

tokamak-teapot 6y ago

My sanity requires it.

RussianCow 6y ago

> unless your work requires you to use macOS, you have no reason to buy a Macbook If hardware is all that matters to you, sure. But some people actually prefer the software experience of macOS to that of Windows, for a variety of reasons.

Insanity 6y ago
You can get Linux on those devices too
- RussianCow 6y ago
  That's true, and it's really wonderful that you have that option, but it doesn't help if you prefer the software experience of macOS and/or need software that doesn't run on Linux.
  - stratosmacker 6y ago
    I just have to say sometimes you can have it all http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/ http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/
    - ricketycricket 6y ago
      Or, perhaps not http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/mojave/ http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/mojave/
      - jlgaddis 6y ago
        High Sierra (10.13) will continue to receive security updates until nearly the end of this year.
    - anewguy9000 6y ago
      would also like to just leave this here: https://www.photopea.com/ https://www.photopea.com/
      - jlgaddis 6y ago
        Please pick that up and deposit it properly in the garbage bin.
tincholio 6y ago
I'm running Linux on my X1, works like a charm (and I find myself using my Macbook Pro less and less)
asveikau 6y ago
Typing this from FreeBSD on mine. I used to run OpenBSD on a laptop (not this one) and that was great too.
rla3rd 6y ago
i'm running Ubuntu 20.04 on my Thinkpad P2 Gen 2 laptop, using the Budgie Desktop. I'd guess my entire workflow is 95% the same coming from my MBP.
- RussianCow 6y ago
  There is still the issue of software. Lots of programs that professionals use on a daily basis don't run on Linux and don't have good alternatives that do. Plus, macOS is much better designed and integrated (if that means anything to you), and generally more stable[0]. [0]: This seems to be less true every year, both because desktop Linux is becoming more stable over time, and because macOS seems to get buggier with every release. Still, as someone that uses both operating systems on a regular basis, my MacBook Pro is still marginally more stable than my Linux desktop machine on average.
  - philliphaydon 6y ago
    > and generally more stable People say this yet still use Adobe software on macOS over windows. Despite the fact adobe software runs horribly on macOS compared to windows. If you buy a Mac for using adobe software you’re definitely not buying it for workflow.
    - RussianCow 6y ago
      First, I was talking about software that doesn't run on Linux but does run macOS, for the case where you don't want to use Windows but still need certain programs. For those users, the Windows "workflow" is already a deal-breaker, as is the lack of professional software on Linux, so macOS is the only choice.[0] I also didn't call out any specific software because there is lots of it besides the Adobe suite. Second, can you elaborate? What makes Adobe run "horribly" on macOS? I admit I haven't used an Adobe product in years, but I used to do some design as part of my job, and I can't say it worked any worse on my Mac than it did on my Windows machine. [0]: I recognize that this isn't necessarily a huge segment of users, but I for one would be hard-pressed to go back to Windows, even if it saved me a thousand bucks on a laptop.

shrimp_emoji 6y ago

And, if you use Linux, ThinkPads have a good track record at compatibility. They even have a page with "certified supported" versions: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426 https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426 Recently, they've even partnered with Red Hat to ship Fedora on some laptops by default: https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-lapt...

affyboi 6y ago
I'm switching back to a macbook now, but I used to run a T480s with the WQHD screen and it worked really well. Good battery life, nice HIDPI screen, super durable. I brought it with me when I traveled and everything, never had any issues besides scratching the outside surface.
- freedomben 6y ago
  Why are you switching back to a macbook?

foldr 6y ago

The touchpad, speakers and display are significantly better on the MacBook. Also, Apple sell their hardware products at a single, clearly advertized price point. I hate how Lenovo make you fuss around with discount codes to get a fair price.

ekianjo 6y ago
Lenovo is mainly a B2B company: their target customers are big corporations, they don't really do a good job when it comes to direct-to-consumers services.
numpad0 6y ago
Display always had been the Achilles’ heel on ThinkPad but anyone who use trackpad and speaker heavily on a ThinkPad is a peasant.