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I'm sure a lot of people here have already seen it, however this 1999 interview with the BBC shows off Bowie's early understanding of the value & potential of t

I'm sure a lot of people here have already seen it, however this 1999 interview with the BBC shows off Bowie's early understanding of the value & potential of the Internet (after the six minute mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiK7s_0tGsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiK7s_0tGsg

moomin 7y ago
I still remember his response to being asked why people still used vinyl: https://youtu.be/bVmrNH0ZMi0 https://youtu.be/bVmrNH0ZMi0
DanielMonteiro 7y ago
1999? We said a lot about it in his 1995 album, 1.Outside :D He also released a single online in 1997 - one of the first artists to so.
- adventured 7y ago
  Yes, 1999. I didn't imply it was the first time Bowie ever talked about the Internet. The skepticism was high in 1999 that the Internet was going to be as large as it has become as a social and economic force. The Internet was economically miniscule at the time that BBC interview occurred. Bowie saying what he was saying even in 1999 was still considered very outlandish, which is why the interviewer reacts the way he does. At that point the Internet still had practically no tangible impact on or reach into the day to day lives of the vast majority of people everywhere. A mere 3%-4% of the world's population used the Internet at the time, mostly sparingly. You have to go to after ~2004 before it became broadly accepted that the Internet was going to sustain as a major socioeconomic force and get far bigger. For example, circa 2001-2004 the media, analysts, et al. were still celebratory dancing on the grave of the dotcom bubble, slapping themselves on the back for their cynicism. It's why a story like Amazon.bomb got so much traction in 1999 (and was so celebrated in the years following), the skepticism was extremely high and broad for many years after 1999.
agency 7y ago
Such a breathtaking interview. The internet bit starts around 7min. > Bowie: I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg. I think the potential of what the internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we're actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and terrifying. > Paxman: It's just a tool though, isn't it? > Bowie. No. No it's not. It's an alien life-form. It's just landed here.
- xtiansimon 7y ago
  That got me too! I immediately recalled a paper I found in one of the free NASA ebooks (see link below): --- Susan Blackmore. “Dangerous Memes; or, What the Pandorans Let Loose” (Cosmos & Culture p297) “This reveals the fundamental difference between all other theories of gene-culture coevolution and memetics: for the former the final arbiter is genetic advantage so that culture must always remain on its leash, even if the leash sometimes gets very loose; for memetics both genes and memes have replicator power and can drive change and creativity. For other theories, cultural traits are an aspect of the human phenotype, but for memetics they are living things in their own right. These include a vast range of memeplexes (coadapted complexes of memes) that are copied, stored, and propagated by their human hosts using a wide variety of adaptations. All these, according to Humphrey, “should be regarded as living structures, not just metaphorically but technically.” (Dawkins 1989, 192). Some survive predominantly because they are useful to their hosts (e.g., effective financial institutions, scientific theories, or useful technologies); others depend on fulfilling human desires and preferences (e.g., the arts, music, and literature); and still others are positively harmful, tricking their hosts into propagating them. We humans are selective imitation devices (Blackmore 2001); we try to select only the useful or valuable memes but are inevitably tricked by some of the rest.” (p. 302) --- There are a lot of interesting bits in there, but this one has that creepy invasion has already happened and the aliens are living among us vibe to it. I watched this Bowie interview before. I am of an age that I remember the 1990s and can recall how people talked about the internet's potential--always in terms of other previous technologies (really Jeremy Paxman, the telephone?). Right now, I'm wondering what Bowie was reading and who he was talking to that informed his beliefs about the cultural change the internet was going to effect. (I was not as good a reader in the 1990s as I am now, so I'm sure I was describing the internet by the same unhelpful metaphors). Did Bowie describe the internet as an alien life-form, because it's shocking/what we expect David-Ziggie Stardust-Bowie to say? Or, was his belief based-on, informed-by, his artistic practice (research), or ideology (his own personal experiences and world-view)? Of course the truth is likely a mix, but the bit which makes a difference--the bit that makes Bowie an informed speaker with lucid ideas and insight--would I expect be research (or surround yourself with people who are smarter than you). --- Sunday March 29, NASA's free history e-book collection (nasa.gov) (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22718489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22718489) And in the collection is this book, Cosmos & Culture: Cultural Evolution in a Cosmic Context Edited by Steven J. Dick and Mark L. Lupisella (2009?) (https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/hist_culture_cosmos_detail.html https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/hist_culture_cosmos_deta...)
shorts_theory 7y ago
I've been listening to Bowie's albums for years, but this is the first video interview I've ever seen of him. It struck me immediately how articulate and cogent he came across. Great video!

moomin 7y ago

I still remember his response to being asked why people still used vinyl: https://youtu.be/bVmrNH0ZMi0 https://youtu.be/bVmrNH0ZMi0

DanielMonteiro 7y ago

1999? We said a lot about it in his 1995 album, 1.Outside :D He also released a single online in 1997 - one of the first artists to so.

adventured 7y ago
Yes, 1999. I didn't imply it was the first time Bowie ever talked about the Internet. The skepticism was high in 1999 that the Internet was going to be as large as it has become as a social and economic force. The Internet was economically miniscule at the time that BBC interview occurred. Bowie saying what he was saying even in 1999 was still considered very outlandish, which is why the interviewer reacts the way he does. At that point the Internet still had practically no tangible impact on or reach into the day to day lives of the vast majority of people everywhere. A mere 3%-4% of the world's population used the Internet at the time, mostly sparingly. You have to go to after ~2004 before it became broadly accepted that the Internet was going to sustain as a major socioeconomic force and get far bigger. For example, circa 2001-2004 the media, analysts, et al. were still celebratory dancing on the grave of the dotcom bubble, slapping themselves on the back for their cynicism. It's why a story like Amazon.bomb got so much traction in 1999 (and was so celebrated in the years following), the skepticism was extremely high and broad for many years after 1999.

agency 7y ago

Such a breathtaking interview. The internet bit starts around 7min. > Bowie: I don't think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg. I think the potential of what the internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we're actually on the cusp of something exhilarating and terrifying. > Paxman: It's just a tool though, isn't it? > Bowie. No. No it's not. It's an alien life-form. It's just landed here.

xtiansimon 7y ago
That got me too! I immediately recalled a paper I found in one of the free NASA ebooks (see link below): --- Susan Blackmore. “Dangerous Memes; or, What the Pandorans Let Loose” (Cosmos & Culture p297) “This reveals the fundamental difference between all other theories of gene-culture coevolution and memetics: for the former the final arbiter is genetic advantage so that culture must always remain on its leash, even if the leash sometimes gets very loose; for memetics both genes and memes have replicator power and can drive change and creativity. For other theories, cultural traits are an aspect of the human phenotype, but for memetics they are living things in their own right. These include a vast range of memeplexes (coadapted complexes of memes) that are copied, stored, and propagated by their human hosts using a wide variety of adaptations. All these, according to Humphrey, “should be regarded as living structures, not just metaphorically but technically.” (Dawkins 1989, 192). Some survive predominantly because they are useful to their hosts (e.g., effective financial institutions, scientific theories, or useful technologies); others depend on fulfilling human desires and preferences (e.g., the arts, music, and literature); and still others are positively harmful, tricking their hosts into propagating them. We humans are selective imitation devices (Blackmore 2001); we try to select only the useful or valuable memes but are inevitably tricked by some of the rest.” (p. 302) --- There are a lot of interesting bits in there, but this one has that creepy invasion has already happened and the aliens are living among us vibe to it. I watched this Bowie interview before. I am of an age that I remember the 1990s and can recall how people talked about the internet's potential--always in terms of other previous technologies (really Jeremy Paxman, the telephone?). Right now, I'm wondering what Bowie was reading and who he was talking to that informed his beliefs about the cultural change the internet was going to effect. (I was not as good a reader in the 1990s as I am now, so I'm sure I was describing the internet by the same unhelpful metaphors). Did Bowie describe the internet as an alien life-form, because it's shocking/what we expect David-Ziggie Stardust-Bowie to say? Or, was his belief based-on, informed-by, his artistic practice (research), or ideology (his own personal experiences and world-view)? Of course the truth is likely a mix, but the bit which makes a difference--the bit that makes Bowie an informed speaker with lucid ideas and insight--would I expect be research (or surround yourself with people who are smarter than you). --- Sunday March 29, NASA's free history e-book collection (nasa.gov) (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22718489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22718489) And in the collection is this book, Cosmos & Culture: Cultural Evolution in a Cosmic Context Edited by Steven J. Dick and Mark L. Lupisella (2009?) (https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/hist_culture_cosmos_detail.html https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/hist_culture_cosmos_deta...)

shorts_theory 7y ago

I've been listening to Bowie's albums for years, but this is the first video interview I've ever seen of him. It struck me immediately how articulate and cogent he came across. Great video!