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If we're going to do a lockdown, we might as well as do a full lock down. Like give everyone a two week warning and then nobody leaves their house for two week

If we're going to do a lockdown, we might as well as do a full lock down. Like give everyone a two week warning and then nobody leaves their house for two weeks. Two weeks, no Lowes, no McDonalds, no grocery stores, no amazon delivery drivers, no postal service, no pharmacy. Only emergency room/icu, fire fighters, emts, cops, and powerplant operators. Instead we put everyone on house arrest for an indefinite period of time.

zzleeper 6y ago
That's what I hoped would happen when we started the quarantine. My food/etc supplies were based on expecting a 2w lockdown, so I kept a month of refrigerated food, or two months if we include all the rice/beans/etc, just in case we reach a breakdown scenario. Instead, here we are. Almost at the two-month mark. And infection rates where I live (NOVA) are even higher than a month ago. FML.
brlewis 6y ago
I'm concerned that would magnify shortages due to hoarding, among other problems.
- Press2forEN 6y ago
  I agree, plus a total lockdown such as what GP described would require military enforcement. Urban society would be reduced to Humvees rolling down the streets past empty Costcos and Walmarts with frightened citizens starting out their windows. Instead of protests we would have looting. It seems lockdowns cannot be implemented successfully no matter what you do. Perhaps a simple public mask requirement would have been better.
  - zzleeper 6y ago
    Other places in Europe, South America, etc seem to have implemented much tighter lockdowns without having to resort to a Humvee scenario though. Just fining people outside is a good incentive.
    - dorchadas 6y ago
      I think it's partially cultural as well, though. Americans are all about their individual freedom and "rights", even when it puts others at risk. It's a joke, and really, at times, this country seems like one big death cult.
  - aledalgrande 6y ago
    Lockdown was pretty successful in Italy and yes, there was military on the street and police checking if you were allowed to be around (grocery shopping, essential worker etc.), tracing you back and arresting you if you were lying. It wasn't a looting race.
jaggednad 6y ago
Yep, as it stands we are just pulling off the band aid in the slowest and most painful possible way. The handling of the crisis by the Trump administration has been so far beyond stupid that there isn’t even a word for it
HarryHirsch 6y ago
The UPS guy making deliveries is fine. Having family over for dinner isn't. The situation would look different now, had there been proper leadership in January. When the President says "It's a flu. HOAX!" his fans believe him, and that's why in France, Germany, Italy and Spain new cases are declining but in the US they are still going up. In my deep red corner of the woods there's different cars in front of each house seemingly every other day and music, too. That's what you do in the face of the plague, you party!
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  If it goes long enough, perhaps some Darwin effect will kick in...
- SkyBelow 6y ago
  This would imply there is a political leaning to those treating it seriously and those who don't. From my personal experience, the people I know who are fans of him and the people I know who want nothing to do with him are both not treating this seriously. They are okay with visiting a friend, going shopping just to get out the house, not trying to reduce their shopping trips to once a week or less but instead going out daily. People going out daily to get food from restaurants. Where I worked a transitioned to WFH for about 98% of the employees, but so many were still stopping by the office that the employees who couldn't work from home and felt they were at increased risk eventually contacted upper management and now every visit to the office is recorded and a manager has to provide a justification for why that employee had to be on site. I think we have to look at little deeper into the America psyche to see what is driving this. (As for where I live, the 2016 vote was almost a 50/50 split in the surrounding area.)
rootusrootus 6y ago
A full lockdown would have to include hospitals, firefighters, EMTs, cops, powerplant operators, food distribution, etc. And unless you quarantined every person individually (and did a perfect job, at that), two weeks is not sufficient. Several months at least. And even then, the odds of successful containment are pretty low.
- cfmcdonald 6y ago
  It seems that several countries have been very successful in containing the virus, starting with China. The U.S. has been very lax in its response to this virus, and now many people seem to be excusing that with the assumption that, well, it was impossible to contain in the first place.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    It is unfair to compare a western democracy with a totalitarian government. China has options that we have collectively decided we don't want to have.
    - cfmcdonald 6y ago
      Okay, let's compare it to Australia then. Or South Korea, or Taiwan. p.s. I don't think Americans collectively decided anything about what options we would use to combat the virus. The federal executive branch effectively decided to do nothing, or nothing coherent and consistent, and states have individually scrambled to come up with their own responses, with varying levels of effectiveness.
      - james_s_tayler 6y ago
        New Zealand also doing well with our lockdown!
- peterwoerner 6y ago
  What's that kung fu line, walk on the right side of the road you are okay, walk on the left side of the road you are okay, walk in the middle you get smashed. We can decide to take the loss and let most people get infected, or we can be super aggressive about lockdown and contain it. Instead, we seem to have a compromise which is seems to take the loss, but slower with a porous lockdown which will have to last indefinitely. Now the other worlds are imagined in my head, so this may not be the case, but it is hard to look at e.g. New Zealand and not be frustrated by America's response.

zzleeper 6y ago

That's what I hoped would happen when we started the quarantine. My food/etc supplies were based on expecting a 2w lockdown, so I kept a month of refrigerated food, or two months if we include all the rice/beans/etc, just in case we reach a breakdown scenario. Instead, here we are. Almost at the two-month mark. And infection rates where I live (NOVA) are even higher than a month ago. FML.

brlewis 6y ago

I'm concerned that would magnify shortages due to hoarding, among other problems.

Press2forEN 6y ago
I agree, plus a total lockdown such as what GP described would require military enforcement. Urban society would be reduced to Humvees rolling down the streets past empty Costcos and Walmarts with frightened citizens starting out their windows. Instead of protests we would have looting. It seems lockdowns cannot be implemented successfully no matter what you do. Perhaps a simple public mask requirement would have been better.
- zzleeper 6y ago
  Other places in Europe, South America, etc seem to have implemented much tighter lockdowns without having to resort to a Humvee scenario though. Just fining people outside is a good incentive.
  - dorchadas 6y ago
    I think it's partially cultural as well, though. Americans are all about their individual freedom and "rights", even when it puts others at risk. It's a joke, and really, at times, this country seems like one big death cult.
- aledalgrande 6y ago
  Lockdown was pretty successful in Italy and yes, there was military on the street and police checking if you were allowed to be around (grocery shopping, essential worker etc.), tracing you back and arresting you if you were lying. It wasn't a looting race.

jaggednad 6y ago

Yep, as it stands we are just pulling off the band aid in the slowest and most painful possible way. The handling of the crisis by the Trump administration has been so far beyond stupid that there isn’t even a word for it

HarryHirsch 6y ago

The UPS guy making deliveries is fine. Having family over for dinner isn't. The situation would look different now, had there been proper leadership in January. When the President says "It's a flu. HOAX!" his fans believe him, and that's why in France, Germany, Italy and Spain new cases are declining but in the US they are still going up. In my deep red corner of the woods there's different cars in front of each house seemingly every other day and music, too. That's what you do in the face of the plague, you party!

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
If it goes long enough, perhaps some Darwin effect will kick in...
SkyBelow 6y ago
This would imply there is a political leaning to those treating it seriously and those who don't. From my personal experience, the people I know who are fans of him and the people I know who want nothing to do with him are both not treating this seriously. They are okay with visiting a friend, going shopping just to get out the house, not trying to reduce their shopping trips to once a week or less but instead going out daily. People going out daily to get food from restaurants. Where I worked a transitioned to WFH for about 98% of the employees, but so many were still stopping by the office that the employees who couldn't work from home and felt they were at increased risk eventually contacted upper management and now every visit to the office is recorded and a manager has to provide a justification for why that employee had to be on site. I think we have to look at little deeper into the America psyche to see what is driving this. (As for where I live, the 2016 vote was almost a 50/50 split in the surrounding area.)

rootusrootus 6y ago

A full lockdown would have to include hospitals, firefighters, EMTs, cops, powerplant operators, food distribution, etc. And unless you quarantined every person individually (and did a perfect job, at that), two weeks is not sufficient. Several months at least. And even then, the odds of successful containment are pretty low.

cfmcdonald 6y ago
It seems that several countries have been very successful in containing the virus, starting with China. The U.S. has been very lax in its response to this virus, and now many people seem to be excusing that with the assumption that, well, it was impossible to contain in the first place.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  It is unfair to compare a western democracy with a totalitarian government. China has options that we have collectively decided we don't want to have.
  - cfmcdonald 6y ago
    Okay, let's compare it to Australia then. Or South Korea, or Taiwan. p.s. I don't think Americans collectively decided anything about what options we would use to combat the virus. The federal executive branch effectively decided to do nothing, or nothing coherent and consistent, and states have individually scrambled to come up with their own responses, with varying levels of effectiveness.
    - james_s_tayler 6y ago
      New Zealand also doing well with our lockdown!
peterwoerner 6y ago
What's that kung fu line, walk on the right side of the road you are okay, walk on the left side of the road you are okay, walk in the middle you get smashed. We can decide to take the loss and let most people get infected, or we can be super aggressive about lockdown and contain it. Instead, we seem to have a compromise which is seems to take the loss, but slower with a porous lockdown which will have to last indefinitely. Now the other worlds are imagined in my head, so this may not be the case, but it is hard to look at e.g. New Zealand and not be frustrated by America's response.