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This is pretty epic. VS Code has proven itself to be one of the best (if not the best) and feature-complete editor out there. It's basically an IDE of a ton of

This is pretty epic. VS Code has proven itself to be one of the best (if not the best) and feature-complete editor out there. It's basically an IDE of a ton of languages at this point, and it's completely free. Integrating it with GH is a no-brainer move from Microsoft's standpoint, to increase market share even further with more seamless integration. If they're able to do setup for Python, Go, Ruby, and JavaScript projects, I suspect that'll be > 50% of all professional work (both FOSS and private) done on GH.

colordrops 6y ago
Let's just hope they don't only maintain this online editor and deprecate the desktop install.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  That sounds quite unlikely.
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    Doesn't to me (they might not deprecate it but they will simply stop putting resources into it at which point it turns into maintenance mode). As another posted pointed out the Facebook links, companies would love remote IDE tooling hosted on their premise so it can be an easy way to remove overhead on onboarding and tighten security more. For monorepos, it might work pretty well.
    - meysholdt 6y ago
      > would love remote IDE tooling hosted on their premise so sounds exactly like what Gitpod self-hosted is for: https://www.gitpod.io/blog/gitpod-self-hosted-0.4.0/ https://www.gitpod.io/blog/gitpod-self-hosted-0.4.0/
      - searchableguy 6y ago
        Yeah but does it come with github or azure enterprise package? No.
        jankeromnes 6y ago
        This sounds like good feedback. What do you mean by "github or azure enterprise package"? I think Gitpod Self-Hosted was successfully installed on GCP, AWS, and Azure, and we're working on documenting the process. It also works with self-managed GitHub and GitLab installations (with Bitbucket coming soon).
- edaemon 6y ago
  Considering the desktop install is an Electron app I wouldn't think the two would diverge that much.
  - colordrops 6y ago
    If they don't release the code for the cloud implementation, it could diverge.
vlunkr 6y ago
> if not the best Them's fightin' words. But on a more serious note, I think 50% is a massive overestimation. We haven't seen pricing. Unless MS is willing to take a huge loss on this there's no way it will be free. We all know the resources required to run a modern web app in development mode. I can certainly see this being useful if you happen to be away from your dev machine, or if you just want to contribute to something without setting up the whole environment, but not as a full-time solution. Especially considering github is known to have outages. You'll really be SOL then.
- JoyrexJ9 6y ago
  I don't think anyone would suggest this a full time replacement for your dev environment and IDE
- topkai22 6y ago
  There is preview pricing available for VS Code Spaces, which is almost the same thing. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-studio-online/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-stu... The estimated cost for a full time developer to use the system is $23.30/month or roughly $280 a year. That's quite competitive- my "portable" workstation costs north of $2k and has a 3 year life span, so the "yearly" cost is $666. The benefits of being able to get use cheaper dev terminals in the general case could pay for itself, even before you get to the benefits of having a common environment. Also, you can self host for free. 50% is an over estimate (I've never seen 50% of developers agree to ANYTHING), but broad adoption looks highly likely.
  - prepend 6y ago
    I use my workstation for lots more than typing into vscode. If that’s all I do, then I could just use a chromebook. I think my $2k laptop uses its local storage for evaluating software, working with large data in memory, lots of other stuff. So that’s not going away. This would be a cost on top of my hardware $666/year.
    - topkai22 6y ago
skrtskrt 6y ago
While VS Code is definitely good in general, and first choice for languages like JavaScript, I find it really hard to compare it to JetBrains PyCharm and GoLand (understanding GoLand has no free version). The debugging and refactoring experiences for Go and Python in VSCode feel slow, awkward to set up and configure and just generally tacked-on. I have gotten the PyCharm professional and GoLand licensed through my employer but I will 100% be paying for them out of my own pocket if I ever lose that.
- heavenlyblue 6y ago
  The issue with PyCharm is that it’s actually quite hard to extend due to lack of proper documentation for their plugins. I love it but I sometimes think of something that contains less features while is easier to develop for would be a better choice.
- arodyginc 6y ago
  Even for C# VSCode is way less useful than VisualStudio, which also has a free version (though doesn't run on Linux)
  - twodave 6y ago
    Honestly, unless I'm working on a Windows machine, I find JetBrains Rider to be the best option for C# specifically. This is especially true if you like having your tests easily accessible from your IDE. That said, VSCode is still very nice for front-end pretty much universally, and it's also great for things like back-end Javascript/Typescript. I think Codespaces is really going to excel when it comes to things like NodeJS -> AWS Lambda. Make code changes, run "sls test", done.
    - recursive 6y ago
      > This is especially true if you like having your tests easily accessible from your IDE. I haven't used Rider, but I'm curious how it could be easier than the Visual Studio test explorer? It seems pretty convenient, and doesn't lack any obvious features I can think of.
wpietri 6y ago
Free is a huge minus in my book. If I'm not the customer, then I'm the product. I'll happily keep paying for my JetBrains all-product license: https://www.jetbrains.com/all/ https://www.jetbrains.com/all/
- recursive 6y ago
  Do you avoid public drinking fountains? (Covid-19 aside)
  - wpietri 6y ago
    Huh. Do you really not see any difference between a publicly funded accommodation and attempts to dominate a market by a company with a long history of abusing a monopoly?
    - recursive 6y ago
      I do see some differences. I was attempting to use those differences to illustrate one of the ways that this maxim about consumers and products is overly broad.
      - yarrel 6y ago
        It's interesting that this is the moment at which you chose to do that.
        wpietri 6y ago
        Exactly. All generalizations are broad. But nobody goes around objecting to generalizations every time they see one; they'd get nothing else done. So the pattern in which they do that is always informative.
        recursive 6y ago
        I aspire to contribute intrigue to the world.
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colordrops 6y ago

Let's just hope they don't only maintain this online editor and deprecate the desktop install.

saagarjha 6y ago
That sounds quite unlikely.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  Doesn't to me (they might not deprecate it but they will simply stop putting resources into it at which point it turns into maintenance mode). As another posted pointed out the Facebook links, companies would love remote IDE tooling hosted on their premise so it can be an easy way to remove overhead on onboarding and tighten security more. For monorepos, it might work pretty well.
  - meysholdt 6y ago
    > would love remote IDE tooling hosted on their premise so sounds exactly like what Gitpod self-hosted is for: https://www.gitpod.io/blog/gitpod-self-hosted-0.4.0/ https://www.gitpod.io/blog/gitpod-self-hosted-0.4.0/
    - searchableguy 6y ago
      Yeah but does it come with github or azure enterprise package? No.
      - jankeromnes 6y ago
        This sounds like good feedback. What do you mean by "github or azure enterprise package"? I think Gitpod Self-Hosted was successfully installed on GCP, AWS, and Azure, and we're working on documenting the process. It also works with self-managed GitHub and GitLab installations (with Bitbucket coming soon).
edaemon 6y ago
Considering the desktop install is an Electron app I wouldn't think the two would diverge that much.
- colordrops 6y ago
  If they don't release the code for the cloud implementation, it could diverge.

vlunkr 6y ago

> if not the best Them's fightin' words. But on a more serious note, I think 50% is a massive overestimation. We haven't seen pricing. Unless MS is willing to take a huge loss on this there's no way it will be free. We all know the resources required to run a modern web app in development mode. I can certainly see this being useful if you happen to be away from your dev machine, or if you just want to contribute to something without setting up the whole environment, but not as a full-time solution. Especially considering github is known to have outages. You'll really be SOL then.

JoyrexJ9 6y ago
I don't think anyone would suggest this a full time replacement for your dev environment and IDE
topkai22 6y ago
There is preview pricing available for VS Code Spaces, which is almost the same thing. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-studio-online/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/visual-stu... The estimated cost for a full time developer to use the system is $23.30/month or roughly $280 a year. That's quite competitive- my "portable" workstation costs north of $2k and has a 3 year life span, so the "yearly" cost is $666. The benefits of being able to get use cheaper dev terminals in the general case could pay for itself, even before you get to the benefits of having a common environment. Also, you can self host for free. 50% is an over estimate (I've never seen 50% of developers agree to ANYTHING), but broad adoption looks highly likely.
- prepend 6y ago
  I use my workstation for lots more than typing into vscode. If that’s all I do, then I could just use a chromebook. I think my $2k laptop uses its local storage for evaluating software, working with large data in memory, lots of other stuff. So that’s not going away. This would be a cost on top of my hardware $666/year.
  - topkai22 6y ago

skrtskrt 6y ago

While VS Code is definitely good in general, and first choice for languages like JavaScript, I find it really hard to compare it to JetBrains PyCharm and GoLand (understanding GoLand has no free version). The debugging and refactoring experiences for Go and Python in VSCode feel slow, awkward to set up and configure and just generally tacked-on. I have gotten the PyCharm professional and GoLand licensed through my employer but I will 100% be paying for them out of my own pocket if I ever lose that.

heavenlyblue 6y ago
The issue with PyCharm is that it’s actually quite hard to extend due to lack of proper documentation for their plugins. I love it but I sometimes think of something that contains less features while is easier to develop for would be a better choice.
arodyginc 6y ago
Even for C# VSCode is way less useful than VisualStudio, which also has a free version (though doesn't run on Linux)
- twodave 6y ago
  Honestly, unless I'm working on a Windows machine, I find JetBrains Rider to be the best option for C# specifically. This is especially true if you like having your tests easily accessible from your IDE. That said, VSCode is still very nice for front-end pretty much universally, and it's also great for things like back-end Javascript/Typescript. I think Codespaces is really going to excel when it comes to things like NodeJS -> AWS Lambda. Make code changes, run "sls test", done.
  - recursive 6y ago
    > This is especially true if you like having your tests easily accessible from your IDE. I haven't used Rider, but I'm curious how it could be easier than the Visual Studio test explorer? It seems pretty convenient, and doesn't lack any obvious features I can think of.

wpietri 6y ago

Free is a huge minus in my book. If I'm not the customer, then I'm the product. I'll happily keep paying for my JetBrains all-product license: https://www.jetbrains.com/all/ https://www.jetbrains.com/all/

recursive 6y ago
Do you avoid public drinking fountains? (Covid-19 aside)
- wpietri 6y ago
  Huh. Do you really not see any difference between a publicly funded accommodation and attempts to dominate a market by a company with a long history of abusing a monopoly?
  - recursive 6y ago
    I do see some differences. I was attempting to use those differences to illustrate one of the ways that this maxim about consumers and products is overly broad.
    - yarrel 6y ago
      It's interesting that this is the moment at which you chose to do that.
      - wpietri 6y ago
        Exactly. All generalizations are broad. But nobody goes around objecting to generalizations every time they see one; they'd get nothing else done. So the pattern in which they do that is always informative.
      - recursive 6y ago
        I aspire to contribute intrigue to the world.
6y ago