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And Apple.

• gruez 7y ago
  Apple logs location history? Other than the wifi location log from ios4 and the significant locations feature (opt in, device only), I don't know how apple is logging locations.
  • cm2187 7y ago
    Not only it does but I even remember a story of a crime that was solved in Germany a few years ago just by requesting from Apple the history of the locations.
    • jeromegv 7y ago
      "I remember a story that is the entire opposite of what you said". If you have an argument to make based on a specific event, you're going to have to do better and provide some sources. "I remember a story", are we going to throw the full privacy history of Apple away based on your "history" that you remember? Please provide sources or do some research before you comment.
  • slg 7y ago
    On your iPhone you can go to Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services -> System Services -> Significant Locations and you will see that Apple does keep track of at least some of your location history and tries to analyze it if you don't actively turn it off.
    • angott 7y ago
      Not true. The iOS location history is encrypted and stored in your iCloud account with a key that never leaves your device. So it's quite different from Google's Location History: Apple stores it, but they cannot read it. And if you disable iCloud, the data remains exclusively on your device.
      • three_seagrass 7y ago
        That iCloud key only prevents man in the middle attacks. You can still use the key to decrypt the data at rest in the cloud servers, and Apple stores both. And if you're in China, Apple stores both on Chinese government owned servers: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/02/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-apple-in-china/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/02/5-things-you-...
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    • extra88 7y ago
      On my iPhone running iOS 13, I had to go a level deeper to find that: Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services -> System Services -> Significant Locations. To view Significant Locations, I have to provide my Touch ID again. Also, the fine print says "Significant Locations are end-to-end encrypted and cannot be read by Apple." Text repeated in "Location Services & Privacy"[0]. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207056 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207056
      • benhurmarcel 7y ago
        Is there any negative consequences to turning that off? What are those locations used for?
        • javagram 7y ago
          If you click on the link in the post you respond to, it explains what the locations are used for.
          • benhurmarcel 7y ago
            Thanks, but that's not very specific. > It is used to provide you with personalized services, such as predictive traffic routing, and to build better Memories in Photos.
    • djrogers 7y ago
      > you will see that Apple does keep track of at least some of your location history That's not Apple keeping the data, that's your phone keeping the data. And that data isn't accessible to Apple - only you and your device. From page 6 of https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/Location_Services_White_Paper_Nov_2019.pdf https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/Location_Services_White_P... "This data is not shared with third parties, is fully encrypted, and can’t be read by Apple."
      • encom 7y ago
        That claim is worthless when the software is closed source. It's impossible to verify.
        • donarb 7y ago
          Actually the claim is worth a big payday if you can prove Apple lied. One leak of customer data and Apple is screwed.
          • encom 7y ago
            >One leak of customer data and Apple is screwed. Yes, the Equifax incident really showed us how data leaks ruin companies.
        • lucasmullens 7y ago
          Claims aren't worthless, they'd be breaking the law if they lied. Apple has a pretty decent incentive to not break the law (PR mostly, but also fines), so I would bet they're telling the truth here.
          • cambalache 7y ago
            And as we all know, and history shows, those incentives ensure corporations never break the law.
        • thekyle 7y ago
          If security researchers couldn't audit closed source software they would be pretty rubbish at their jobs. It's a lot easier to audit open source of course, but researchers do reverse engineer closed source stuff all the time.
• antipaul 7y ago
  You can’t put Apple and Google in the same bucket when it comes to privacy. Sure, neither is probably perfect, but only one of them is an egregious violator whose business model depends on surveillance capitalism
  • lern_too_spel 7y ago
    Are you talking about the one that won't let you install apps on your own phone without telling it who you are? They're the same. If anything, Apple is worse.
  • mackrevinack 7y ago
    apple is closed source and extremely secretive so i will keep putting them in the same bucket thanks
    • antipaul 7y ago
      That seems like a different topic than privacy’s relationship to their business model...