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I wish I could be off of Jira and all of Atlassian. Sadly, that is not my decision to make. Atlassian's antics with Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket have really
by cyrialize 6y ago
I wish I could be off of Jira and all of Atlassian. Sadly, that is not my decision to make.
Atlassian's antics with Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket have really started to make me mad.
Jira is changing it's editor... slowly. The old editor had nice shortcuts, like h1. - h6., {code}, {blockquote} etc. When you create a ticket - it's the old editor, but when you edit a ticket or write a comment, it's the new editor! This new editor has none of the markdown-ish shortcuts the old editor had.
Confluence is also changing it's editor and the old wiki pages do not have a 1:1 match to the new wiki pages. This means you have to go through each page, convert it, and edit it to fix the broken things - because depending on what you use, it will be broken. For example, there is no longer a note, warning, or error macro - instead it gets turned into a info macro that you have to go in and edit it to the style you previously had. Code blocks no longer let you pick the color scheme you had, instead they're all generic. There's even more here I'm not listing.
Confluence has also just been wonky lately. It's supposed to automatically format a link into something nice (e.g. https://confluence/page-name https://confluence/page-name -> Page Name or https://jira/AAA-1234 https://jira/AAA-1234 -> AAA->1234) and this only happens sometimes. Other times I'm finding the page frozen or slow and the only thing that fixes it is refreshing the page or publishing the page and going back to edit it.
Of course with BitBucket I dislike that they're dropping Mercurial. I understand why, but I am really going to miss it. Git is way more powerful but Mercurial is (at least to me) way easier to use and pick up. The infuriating part is that they offer no tool for converting existing repositories whatsoever. Github has a tool that will turn your BitBucket Mercurial repo into a Github repo!
For any tool that aims to be an alternative to Jira / Confluence / BitBucket, please don't do what Atlassian does. If you are going to make any transitions or any major change - please make it as easy and seamless as possible for your users.
- gjvc 6y agohttps://www.phacility.com/ https://www.phacility.com/
- twalla 6y agoHaving come from a JIRA/Github/Confluence setup in my previous role to a Phabricator setup in my current role, I can't believe I'm saying this but I'd give anything to have JIRA back.
- solarkraft 6y agoWould you like to elaborate? I haven't properly used Phabricator yet, but have so far had no problem (maybe even a bit of joy) browsing https://phabricator.kde.org/ https://phabricator.kde.org/
- twalla 6y agoI've found that phabricator seems to lack support for more complicated workflows so you end up having to hack together things using tags/workboards/milestones to mirror how your process works. This could be a positive though if you've suffered through really crappily configured JIRA projects. To phab's credit, the web UX of phab is more respectful than JIRA (10 second load times anyone? constantly (re)moving things) but I've used go-jira[1] for the past 2 years to great effect and there's simply no equivalent of that for phab. It could also be that I'm just stuck in my habits and don't like change - or the way my current orgs phab install is configured (I've never been a JIRA or phab administrator so I don't have much insight here) 1 - https://github.com/go-jira/jira https://github.com/go-jira/jira
- naringas 6y agoit seems to me that often the people who decide whether to use Atlassian products aren't actually using them personally...
- imafish 6y agoDefinitely. From a buyer’s perspective, Atlassian is awesome. It checks every single box of requirements a development team could give to an “IT department”.
- ddek 6y agoThis is particularly prevalent where you have software teams working in a non software business. That’s an environment where you get execs pushing for ‘unity’, whatever that is, and every team must use jira (or Monday/notion etc). Even worse, often they’ll expect you to use jira without the software specific features. When my org tried this, it was a good test of my influence outside the dev team.
- virvar 6y agoI’ve turned down job offers I was interested in from companies because I found out they use the atlassian stuff, that’s how much I dislike it. I wonder if I’m the only one.
- rockostrich 6y agoI'm sure you're not, but that's a pretty silly reason to turn down an offer if you're interested in the company.
- virvar 6y agoWhy do you think it’s a silly reason? I don’t want to spend a lot of hours every day working with something I genuinely dislike. Don’t get me wrong, I know I’m fortunate enough since I get to pick and chose, but the time we spend on project management, even as developers, isn’t exactly insignificant.
- redis_mlc 6y agoIf jira has permissions setup incorrectly, then it really can be worth moving on. I haven't seen any blocker-level issues with confluence, aside from just being crappy to use, but looking really good.
- RHSeeger 6y ago> When you create a ticket - it's the old editor, but when you edit a ticket or write a comment, it's the new editor! Weird, that's not my experience. I use the markdown exclusively, creating, editing, or commenting.
- cyrialize 6y agoI think my experience is like this due to opting in to Atlassian's redesign. I've thought about switching back, but I'd rather get used to the design that they're going to force upon everyone anyways.
- jblarneyforward 6y agoSlightly confused by your comment, the new editor has gone from markdown-ish to actual markdown. That is easier/better.
- HelloNurse 6y agoI'm happy that you are able to open Jira editors. Today I wasted half an hour to discover I can only open "My Work" (the timesheet summary page) if I'm on an issue page, not from the blank main page.