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The History of Loneliness Can Help Us Through This Pandemic

38 points by prostoalex 7y ago

kstenerud 7y ago
One point this article hasn't touched upon is that peoples' needs for social interaction can vary wildly, from the need for constant companionship, to being fine with none, even for years. There have been many solitary people throughout history who were able to get along just fine alone, even with no person or god to keep them company. Yes, it's instructive to learn coping mechanisms from famous people in history, but be careful about falling for the fallacy that everyone is the same. Your mileage WILL vary.
- Rerarom 7y ago
  I love how people use "wildly" when "widely" would do.
  - kstenerud 7y ago
    "Wildly" has the additional connotation of "erratic".
franze 7y ago
It's strange that some of my peers did not mind the lockdown at all, some even enjoy it and find it relaxing. I on the other hand completely faltered. I always saw myself as an introvert which rather reads books, codes and figures out stuff, than mingling at networking events. So it took me by surprise how big the psychological impact of the lockdown was/is one me. I tried to analyze myself here https://medium.com/@franz.enzenhofer/supporting-and-hating-the-lockdown-views-of-an-introvert-8ee85d65b94e?source=friends_link&sk=521807c4c65c88aaa375d4a6e00e0ff0 https://medium.com/@franz.enzenhofer/supporting-and-hating-t... In short and as strange as it sounds: As an introvert I need meaningful interactions with people to challenge myself. And without challenge I sucumb to depression. Hard times.
- Pamar 7y ago
  For me the lockdown (I am in Germany so it is relatively lighter than some other places like Italy or Belgium) was not a big incovenience, the only thing I am really missing is my Martial Arts regular training. For the rest I just had more time to devote to hobbies so I am more or less fine, so far. I have a page devoted to Loneliness/Solitude on my personal website (https://www.pa-mar.net/Lifestyle/Solitude.html https://www.pa-mar.net/Lifestyle/Solitude.html) and I will add the OP article to the reading list in the appendix.
- stevewodil 7y ago
  Being an introvert doesn't mean you don't like/need socializing, it means you get tired from it and need to recharge afterwards by being alone. Extroverts gain energy by being around others whereas introverts lose it
  - copperx 7y ago
    Does personality affect the uptake of ATP?
    - throw149102 7y ago
      Potentially, I've never seen a study relating personality to ATP. The usage of "energy" here is a metaphor for how the dopamine system is invoked in the brain. Introverts have less dopamine released in a social interaction than extroverts do, and that gives the impression of "tiredness" or "having less energy".
      - stevewodil 7y ago
        Yeah I think I would generally agree with this. I did not necessarily mean energy in a literal sense. If you've ever been hanging out with friends and suddenly you just don't want to talk or do anything except for go home then you'll know the feeling I'm referring to. It's a feeling of depletion, but perhaps it's due to dopamine or another neurotransmitter
- 7y ago
mpswardle 7y ago
I've seen this topic touched on a few times recently but i feel like there is a major flaw in a the assumption that the current pandemic related loneliness/isolation can be compared to more traditional forms of loneliness/isolation. Traditionally lonely people don't have anyone to communicate with, people in lockdown do have people to communicate with but now have to do it remotely, just doesn't seem comparable to me. Speaking for my friendship group that is extremely socially active normally, everyone seems to have happily moved to social media and zoom drinking sessions with little ill effects.
kungato 7y ago
My social life has not changed but improved since the quarantine started. Voice chat servers have never been this full. The whole extended squad is on line 10 hours a day. We can finally have 5v5 custom games all day long. We all consider ourselves introverts. Now, when you are tired of socialising you just say be right back and come back tomorrow. When outside you have to spend possibly hours more than you would like before it's socially acceptable to leave.
dusted 7y ago
Need no help, I'm doing better mentally now that I don't have to go another place and be surrounded by people to work. I'm kind of annoyed how people are whining about the mental hardships of lock down (those of us who can work from home, I sympathise entirely with those unfortunate that cannot work and get issues from the pressure that brings with it). People who prefer solitude have always been second rank in society, we have been the ones who had to "suck it up", or "find a job where you're alone", and listen to the "nobody is forcing you to blah blah" (which is entirely untrue if you want the same privileges as everybody else, without having to socialize to gain them). But the second the tables turn, they having a breakdown. Not buying it.

38 points by prostoalex 7y ago

One point this article hasn't touched upon is that peoples' needs for social interaction can vary wildly, from the need for constant companionship, to being fine with none, even for years. There have been many solitary people throughout history who were able to get along just fine alone, even with no person or god to keep them company. Yes, it's instructive to learn coping mechanisms from famous people in history, but be careful about falling for the fallacy that everyone is the same. Your mileage WILL vary.

Rerarom 7y ago
I love how people use "wildly" when "widely" would do.
- kstenerud 7y ago
  "Wildly" has the additional connotation of "erratic".

franze 7y ago

It's strange that some of my peers did not mind the lockdown at all, some even enjoy it and find it relaxing. I on the other hand completely faltered. I always saw myself as an introvert which rather reads books, codes and figures out stuff, than mingling at networking events. So it took me by surprise how big the psychological impact of the lockdown was/is one me. I tried to analyze myself here https://medium.com/@franz.enzenhofer/supporting-and-hating-the-lockdown-views-of-an-introvert-8ee85d65b94e?source=friends_link&sk=521807c4c65c88aaa375d4a6e00e0ff0 https://medium.com/@franz.enzenhofer/supporting-and-hating-t... In short and as strange as it sounds: As an introvert I need meaningful interactions with people to challenge myself. And without challenge I sucumb to depression. Hard times.

Pamar 7y ago
For me the lockdown (I am in Germany so it is relatively lighter than some other places like Italy or Belgium) was not a big incovenience, the only thing I am really missing is my Martial Arts regular training. For the rest I just had more time to devote to hobbies so I am more or less fine, so far. I have a page devoted to Loneliness/Solitude on my personal website (https://www.pa-mar.net/Lifestyle/Solitude.html https://www.pa-mar.net/Lifestyle/Solitude.html) and I will add the OP article to the reading list in the appendix.
stevewodil 7y ago
Being an introvert doesn't mean you don't like/need socializing, it means you get tired from it and need to recharge afterwards by being alone. Extroverts gain energy by being around others whereas introverts lose it
- copperx 7y ago
  Does personality affect the uptake of ATP?
  - throw149102 7y ago
    Potentially, I've never seen a study relating personality to ATP. The usage of "energy" here is a metaphor for how the dopamine system is invoked in the brain. Introverts have less dopamine released in a social interaction than extroverts do, and that gives the impression of "tiredness" or "having less energy".
    - stevewodil 7y ago
      Yeah I think I would generally agree with this. I did not necessarily mean energy in a literal sense. If you've ever been hanging out with friends and suddenly you just don't want to talk or do anything except for go home then you'll know the feeling I'm referring to. It's a feeling of depletion, but perhaps it's due to dopamine or another neurotransmitter
7y ago

mpswardle 7y ago

I've seen this topic touched on a few times recently but i feel like there is a major flaw in a the assumption that the current pandemic related loneliness/isolation can be compared to more traditional forms of loneliness/isolation. Traditionally lonely people don't have anyone to communicate with, people in lockdown do have people to communicate with but now have to do it remotely, just doesn't seem comparable to me. Speaking for my friendship group that is extremely socially active normally, everyone seems to have happily moved to social media and zoom drinking sessions with little ill effects.

kungato 7y ago

My social life has not changed but improved since the quarantine started. Voice chat servers have never been this full. The whole extended squad is on line 10 hours a day. We can finally have 5v5 custom games all day long. We all consider ourselves introverts. Now, when you are tired of socialising you just say be right back and come back tomorrow. When outside you have to spend possibly hours more than you would like before it's socially acceptable to leave.

dusted 7y ago

Need no help, I'm doing better mentally now that I don't have to go another place and be surrounded by people to work. I'm kind of annoyed how people are whining about the mental hardships of lock down (those of us who can work from home, I sympathise entirely with those unfortunate that cannot work and get issues from the pressure that brings with it). People who prefer solitude have always been second rank in society, we have been the ones who had to "suck it up", or "find a job where you're alone", and listen to the "nobody is forcing you to blah blah" (which is entirely untrue if you want the same privileges as everybody else, without having to socialize to gain them). But the second the tables turn, they having a breakdown. Not buying it.