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Considering that at least Google is a direct competitor, and Amazon is very aggressive at stealing ideas from their partners, I think choosing an alternative li

Considering that at least Google is a direct competitor, and Amazon is very aggressive at stealing ideas from their partners, I think choosing an alternative like Oracle makes sense simply from a business ecosystem and competition perspective.

zelly 7y ago
True, Oracle is so old and docile that they'd never attempt a competitor
- hindsightbias 7y ago
  Oracle entering a consumer market would be great way to screw themselves. One can dream.
Spooky23 7y ago
Plus, Oracle will end up acquiring them, it’s unlikely that Zoom will last as a long term standalone business.
- oefrha 7y ago
  Zoom market cap 38.24B (70% more than Twitter), Oracle market cap 167.05B. Can’t last as a long term standalone business and has to be acquired by Oracle? Sounds like a pretty baseless claim.
  - quicklyfrozen 7y ago
    Won't =/= Can't i.e. they may been seen as an attractive acquisition
  - Spooky23 7y ago
    Oracle has that much cash on hand, and the market cap is inflated by the COVID outbreak. That market cap could be $10B in a week. Assuming that valuation will stay in place in the economic disaster that we find ourselves is a big leap. Where are they going to pivot to?
- MattGaiser 7y ago
  Zoom is profitable, so I do not see why.
johnqpub 7y ago
Amazon has a direct competitor already: https://aws.amazon.com/chime https://aws.amazon.com/chime
- jklinger410 7y ago
  I thought this might be the case, I haven't used chime and didn't really research into Amazon's messaging capabilities.
chance_state 7y ago
>Amazon is very aggressive at stealing ideas from their partners Are there some examples of this? edit - this is somewhat related, from another comment in this thread: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40367626 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40367626
- jklinger410 7y ago
  I think Amazon as a company has earned a bad faith reading into all of their business ventures by bullying small sellers on their own platform by directly competing with them and using sales data to beat them in their own niche. I'm sure there is much less evidence of this at the cloud/enterprise level.
TheSoftwareGuy 7y ago
>Google is a direct competitor I think that people over estimate potential damages of being your competitors customer. Google is not going anywhere, with or without this contract, and if they want to make an investment in video conferencing, they already have more than enough capital & resources to do that. Staying away from GCP purely because it is under google would be a crazy decision
- davidwihl 7y ago
  As of April 29, Google Meet is now free, which is seemingly direct competition to Zoom, especially with the emphasis on security. https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-mo... Opinion my own not Google's.
  - awill 7y ago
    First, Google Meet is also not e2e encrypted. Second, Google Meet is not now free. They're rolling it out over several weeks. My account isn't activated yet. Is yours? Google is really, really late to game here. What was Google doing for the last 2 months while Zoom capitalized on our situation?
  - haneefmubarak 7y ago
    Google Meet is "free" for 60 minutes, which conveniently enough won't be enforced until September. That's just a shady deal, especially if they end up trying to retire Hangouts chat and so normal users can no longer use free video / voice call services that they've come to rely on having for like 10+ years now. Don't get me wrong - I love Meet on my business accounts and along with all the other Apps in G Suite, it is well worth paying for. But I also value the fact that normal ass standard Google users have been able to have access to a semi-decent video and voice conferencing platform for over a decade now. I hope that doesn't change come September.
  - mikestew 7y ago
    Even for free I won't use it. I already have solutions that I (and the business I work for) have been using for several months. (Personal: Skype or Zoom; Business: MS Teams) Those solutions work. Not only do I not assume that the Google solution won't be half-assed, I also do not assume that it will remain free, nor even remain in their product line for any reasonable length of time for that matter. In fact, being "free" makes even more leery that Google will axe it down the road. Regardless, if I (and I assume many beside myself) need a video conferencing solution, I would have found one by now and no longer need a "me, too" product.
Aperocky 7y ago
Heard of Chime? It's been there for years.

zelly 7y ago

True, Oracle is so old and docile that they'd never attempt a competitor

hindsightbias 7y ago
Oracle entering a consumer market would be great way to screw themselves. One can dream.

Spooky23 7y ago

Plus, Oracle will end up acquiring them, it’s unlikely that Zoom will last as a long term standalone business.

oefrha 7y ago
Zoom market cap 38.24B (70% more than Twitter), Oracle market cap 167.05B. Can’t last as a long term standalone business and has to be acquired by Oracle? Sounds like a pretty baseless claim.
- quicklyfrozen 7y ago
  Won't =/= Can't i.e. they may been seen as an attractive acquisition
- Spooky23 7y ago
  Oracle has that much cash on hand, and the market cap is inflated by the COVID outbreak. That market cap could be $10B in a week. Assuming that valuation will stay in place in the economic disaster that we find ourselves is a big leap. Where are they going to pivot to?
MattGaiser 7y ago
Zoom is profitable, so I do not see why.

johnqpub 7y ago

Amazon has a direct competitor already: https://aws.amazon.com/chime https://aws.amazon.com/chime

jklinger410 7y ago
I thought this might be the case, I haven't used chime and didn't really research into Amazon's messaging capabilities.

chance_state 7y ago

>Amazon is very aggressive at stealing ideas from their partners Are there some examples of this? edit - this is somewhat related, from another comment in this thread: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40367626 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40367626

jklinger410 7y ago
I think Amazon as a company has earned a bad faith reading into all of their business ventures by bullying small sellers on their own platform by directly competing with them and using sales data to beat them in their own niche. I'm sure there is much less evidence of this at the cloud/enterprise level.

TheSoftwareGuy 7y ago

>Google is a direct competitor I think that people over estimate potential damages of being your competitors customer. Google is not going anywhere, with or without this contract, and if they want to make an investment in video conferencing, they already have more than enough capital & resources to do that. Staying away from GCP purely because it is under google would be a crazy decision

davidwihl 7y ago
As of April 29, Google Meet is now free, which is seemingly direct competition to Zoom, especially with the emphasis on security. https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people https://blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-mo... Opinion my own not Google's.
- awill 7y ago
  First, Google Meet is also not e2e encrypted. Second, Google Meet is not now free. They're rolling it out over several weeks. My account isn't activated yet. Is yours? Google is really, really late to game here. What was Google doing for the last 2 months while Zoom capitalized on our situation?
- haneefmubarak 7y ago
  Google Meet is "free" for 60 minutes, which conveniently enough won't be enforced until September. That's just a shady deal, especially if they end up trying to retire Hangouts chat and so normal users can no longer use free video / voice call services that they've come to rely on having for like 10+ years now. Don't get me wrong - I love Meet on my business accounts and along with all the other Apps in G Suite, it is well worth paying for. But I also value the fact that normal ass standard Google users have been able to have access to a semi-decent video and voice conferencing platform for over a decade now. I hope that doesn't change come September.
- mikestew 7y ago
  Even for free I won't use it. I already have solutions that I (and the business I work for) have been using for several months. (Personal: Skype or Zoom; Business: MS Teams) Those solutions work. Not only do I not assume that the Google solution won't be half-assed, I also do not assume that it will remain free, nor even remain in their product line for any reasonable length of time for that matter. In fact, being "free" makes even more leery that Google will axe it down the road. Regardless, if I (and I assume many beside myself) need a video conferencing solution, I would have found one by now and no longer need a "me, too" product.

Aperocky 7y ago

Heard of Chime? It's been there for years.