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Literally no one anywhere wants central planning, no one wants America to be anything like Venezuela, these are fevered fantasies of uninformed minds, so feel f

Literally no one anywhere wants central planning, no one wants America to be anything like Venezuela, these are fevered fantasies of uninformed minds, so feel free to put these lines to bed permanently.

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
"Essential business" designations are central planning, and I've seen reasonably influential people argue that we could keep them going indefinitely if we had to.
- standardUser 7y ago
  Examples of central planning do not imply a centrally planned economy, just as examples of free markets do not imply a free market economy. Every nation on earth has a mixed economic system (except maybe North Korea?) so let's not waste any more time denying that fact.
  - jpindar 7y ago
    Even North Korea. They found they had no choice but to allow the equivalent of farmer's markets or flea markets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangmadang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangmadang https://youtu.be/lvsqpwI_IfU https://youtu.be/lvsqpwI_IfU
cpursley 7y ago
Plenty of people are calling for central planning of economies right now, and that's freighting if history is any teacher.
- standardUser 7y ago
  Examples of any influential individuals calling for overthrowing the current economic system and replacing it with a centrally planned economy?
  - sethammons 7y ago
    While not influential per se, it feels like every response to "people need work / pay" is "the govt can save us, get back in your house moron." The only way that anyone talks about it working is the govt taking over and suspending this or that, paying for this other thing, a few trillion here and there. They are all saying "centrally planned economy" without saying it.
    - standardUser 7y ago
      No, you are saying "centrally planned economy" on their behalf. They are calling for extreme but temporary emergency measures to handle what may be the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes. Are you seriously confusing support for these measures with support for ending the market system in the United States? Can you see what a fantastical stretch that is?
      - cpursley 7y ago
        Like the "temporary" Patriot Act?
  - parsnips 7y ago
    AOC, Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar. What do you think the Green New Deal is?
    - devonkim 7y ago
      The GND with its extensive use of private contractors is basically neoliberal like our current DoD. It is structured almost exactly the same as DoD and with a vague never-ending mission would likely take as much resources to fight an enemy that may honestly always exist. A better policy would be focused upon global trade policies to globally incentivize all countries to choose cleaner infrastructure. This sobering reality is one I certainly found refreshing from the Yang climate worldview than the climate alarmist view that civilization ends if we don't go carbon neutral in 8 years aggressively pushing the GND as a gold standard policy.
    - 7y ago

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

"Essential business" designations are central planning, and I've seen reasonably influential people argue that we could keep them going indefinitely if we had to.

standardUser 7y ago
Examples of central planning do not imply a centrally planned economy, just as examples of free markets do not imply a free market economy. Every nation on earth has a mixed economic system (except maybe North Korea?) so let's not waste any more time denying that fact.
- jpindar 7y ago
  Even North Korea. They found they had no choice but to allow the equivalent of farmer's markets or flea markets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangmadang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangmadang https://youtu.be/lvsqpwI_IfU https://youtu.be/lvsqpwI_IfU

cpursley 7y ago

Plenty of people are calling for central planning of economies right now, and that's freighting if history is any teacher.

standardUser 7y ago
Examples of any influential individuals calling for overthrowing the current economic system and replacing it with a centrally planned economy?
- sethammons 7y ago
  While not influential per se, it feels like every response to "people need work / pay" is "the govt can save us, get back in your house moron." The only way that anyone talks about it working is the govt taking over and suspending this or that, paying for this other thing, a few trillion here and there. They are all saying "centrally planned economy" without saying it.
  - standardUser 7y ago
    No, you are saying "centrally planned economy" on their behalf. They are calling for extreme but temporary emergency measures to handle what may be the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes. Are you seriously confusing support for these measures with support for ending the market system in the United States? Can you see what a fantastical stretch that is?
    - cpursley 7y ago
      Like the "temporary" Patriot Act?
- parsnips 7y ago
  AOC, Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar. What do you think the Green New Deal is?
  - devonkim 7y ago
    The GND with its extensive use of private contractors is basically neoliberal like our current DoD. It is structured almost exactly the same as DoD and with a vague never-ending mission would likely take as much resources to fight an enemy that may honestly always exist. A better policy would be focused upon global trade policies to globally incentivize all countries to choose cleaner infrastructure. This sobering reality is one I certainly found refreshing from the Yang climate worldview than the climate alarmist view that civilization ends if we don't go carbon neutral in 8 years aggressively pushing the GND as a gold standard policy.
  - 7y ago