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It’s the price of success. Similarly, a lot of people now vehemently hate Go, and in a few years they’ll be complaining about the problems with Rust. (No idea a

by jchw 7y ago

It’s the price of success. Similarly, a lot of people now vehemently hate Go, and in a few years they’ll be complaining about the problems with Rust. (No idea about frontend because as far as I’m concerned React is still on top.) I don’t think it’s really too big of a deal, but I wish people would be more realistic and use less hyperbole. Everything has trade-offs, one’s own personal honey moon ending does not mean we were all blind and/or ignoring the faults with things.

saagarjha 7y ago
I don’t think it’s necessarily success, but novelty. C++ and Java are immensely popular and get nowhere near the vitriol that the thing you mentioned do. Often there’s a number of people on the opposite side cheerleading the thing as well, which underlines the apparent conflict. (Rust is already being complained about, by the way.)
- christophilus 7y ago
  Really? I would have put C++ and Java near the top of the “most ridiculed languages” list.
  - majewsky 7y ago
    As the old mantra goes, "there are two types of languages, the ones that everyone complains about, and the ones that nobody uses".
    - shrimp_emoji 7y ago
      That's true because the more first-mover-y languages that came to dominate are shit compared to subsequent, more innovative ones. When the latter become dominant, there should be even more subsequent, innovative ones. And the cycle will repeat. But it's less net shittiness with every generation. And how many generations are we even in so far? C is '70s security gore, C++ is an '80s attempt to force OO memes that we've come to regret onto the '70s security gore, Python and Java are '90s OO memes in earnest, JavaScript and PHP were kludgy mistakes slapped together in a fit of desperate confusion to get some web shit to run, aaand...
- neutronicus 7y ago
  As a C++ developer who occasionally helps a friend hack on a Rust hobby project, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop on Rust. Not necessarily because I have many complaints about it, but because I consider it in essence very similar to C++17, with (not-too-)different syntax and a few different but important design decisions in the core language and standard library. Seeing it sold as a radical paradigm shift from C++ has always left me feeling that some people are in for disappointment down the line.
  - fpoling 7y ago
    C++ has no notion of a borrow checker and I am not aware of static checkers for the language that provides a coverage close to that of the Rust compiler. As I continue to see how very experienced C++ programmers make exploitable bugs that passes all reviews and that are compilation errors in Rust saying that Rust is C++ with a different syntax is very naive.

by jchw 7y ago

saagarjha 7y ago

I don’t think it’s necessarily success, but novelty. C++ and Java are immensely popular and get nowhere near the vitriol that the thing you mentioned do. Often there’s a number of people on the opposite side cheerleading the thing as well, which underlines the apparent conflict. (Rust is already being complained about, by the way.)

christophilus 7y ago
Really? I would have put C++ and Java near the top of the “most ridiculed languages” list.
- majewsky 7y ago
  As the old mantra goes, "there are two types of languages, the ones that everyone complains about, and the ones that nobody uses".
  - shrimp_emoji 7y ago
    That's true because the more first-mover-y languages that came to dominate are shit compared to subsequent, more innovative ones. When the latter become dominant, there should be even more subsequent, innovative ones. And the cycle will repeat. But it's less net shittiness with every generation. And how many generations are we even in so far? C is '70s security gore, C++ is an '80s attempt to force OO memes that we've come to regret onto the '70s security gore, Python and Java are '90s OO memes in earnest, JavaScript and PHP were kludgy mistakes slapped together in a fit of desperate confusion to get some web shit to run, aaand...
neutronicus 7y ago
As a C++ developer who occasionally helps a friend hack on a Rust hobby project, I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop on Rust. Not necessarily because I have many complaints about it, but because I consider it in essence very similar to C++17, with (not-too-)different syntax and a few different but important design decisions in the core language and standard library. Seeing it sold as a radical paradigm shift from C++ has always left me feeling that some people are in for disappointment down the line.
- fpoling 7y ago
  C++ has no notion of a borrow checker and I am not aware of static checkers for the language that provides a coverage close to that of the Rust compiler. As I continue to see how very experienced C++ programmers make exploitable bugs that passes all reviews and that are compilation errors in Rust saying that Rust is C++ with a different syntax is very naive.