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It's something that can and does happen in many cases, depending pretty much entirely on the attitude of the parents. Or, in other words, it's not actually the

It's something that can and does happen in many cases, depending pretty much entirely on the attitude of the parents. Or, in other words, it's not actually the homeschooling that is the problem. It's the attitudes of the parents. And it turns out that when you have cruddy parents, public-school outcomes aren't good either.

bscphil 6y ago
Well, yes, but it has the important difference that being in public school can hardly fail but to give you a certain minimum level of social skills and in most cases one or two friends at least. And on the other hand being homeschooled by bad parents can hardly fail to have a bad outcome for you. Also, can you use ">" to offset quotes instead of four spaces? Because HN uses that for code, it's not readable for mobile users.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Hmm, plenty of people have an awful time in state schools. Parents who are so bad they leave their kids to do their own education sometimes inadvertently give them a great environment in which to grow (but it seems super-rare). I think you're more right on this second part than on the first.
  - bscphil 6y ago
    > plenty of people have an awful time in state schools For sure, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying there's a difference between the possible outcome of having an awful time and being so socially abnormal that you get panicky talking to the cashier at the Burger King and can't make any friends.
    - gliese1337 6y ago
      In my experience, the worst possible outcomes in each case tip the other direction: I have never heard of a homeschool kid committing suicide because they were so unprepared for Burger King, but public school kids commit suicide because of how incredibly awful their social experience is all the time. The absolute worst-case, most socially-awkward homeschooler I ever met ended up just fine after a couple of years of college, which fully made up for any socialization deficiencies he may have suffered from being isolated from his public school peers.
      - watwut 6y ago
        There were multiple sever abuse cases children in families where kids were homeschooled to cover abuse. It happens.
      - astura 6y ago
        https://hsinvisiblechildren.org https://hsinvisiblechildren.org >Our preliminary research suggests that homeschooled children are at a greater risk of dying from child abuse than are traditionally schooled children. https://coloradosun.com/2018/10/08/homeschool-child-abuse-colorado/ https://coloradosun.com/2018/10/08/homeschool-child-abuse-co... >In a 2014 study published in the Journal of Child & Adolescent Trauma, Knox seemed to confirm that. Examining cases of severe and fatal child abuse, Knox found that 47 percent of the young victims had been removed from school to be home schooled
      - ska 6y ago
        This is the sort of thing that is really subject to selection bias.

bscphil 6y ago

Well, yes, but it has the important difference that being in public school can hardly fail but to give you a certain minimum level of social skills and in most cases one or two friends at least. And on the other hand being homeschooled by bad parents can hardly fail to have a bad outcome for you. Also, can you use ">" to offset quotes instead of four spaces? Because HN uses that for code, it's not readable for mobile users.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Hmm, plenty of people have an awful time in state schools. Parents who are so bad they leave their kids to do their own education sometimes inadvertently give them a great environment in which to grow (but it seems super-rare). I think you're more right on this second part than on the first.
- bscphil 6y ago
  > plenty of people have an awful time in state schools For sure, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying there's a difference between the possible outcome of having an awful time and being so socially abnormal that you get panicky talking to the cashier at the Burger King and can't make any friends.
  - gliese1337 6y ago
    In my experience, the worst possible outcomes in each case tip the other direction: I have never heard of a homeschool kid committing suicide because they were so unprepared for Burger King, but public school kids commit suicide because of how incredibly awful their social experience is all the time. The absolute worst-case, most socially-awkward homeschooler I ever met ended up just fine after a couple of years of college, which fully made up for any socialization deficiencies he may have suffered from being isolated from his public school peers.
    - watwut 6y ago
      There were multiple sever abuse cases children in families where kids were homeschooled to cover abuse. It happens.
    - astura 6y ago
      https://hsinvisiblechildren.org https://hsinvisiblechildren.org >Our preliminary research suggests that homeschooled children are at a greater risk of dying from child abuse than are traditionally schooled children. https://coloradosun.com/2018/10/08/homeschool-child-abuse-colorado/ https://coloradosun.com/2018/10/08/homeschool-child-abuse-co... >In a 2014 study published in the Journal of Child & Adolescent Trauma, Knox seemed to confirm that. Examining cases of severe and fatal child abuse, Knox found that 47 percent of the young victims had been removed from school to be home schooled
    - ska 6y ago
      This is the sort of thing that is really subject to selection bias.