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Internet Explorer Is Evil (2002)
- scottward 6y agoI wrote a song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTzwJsHpU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTzwJsHpU8
- pinacarlos90 6y agoGreat song! I Shared it with my coworkers and dropped a like on vid :)
- sureaboutthis 6y agoI remember the day you posted that online!
- savoyard 6y agoYour song is amazing. It’s been a decade since I heard it, and the chorus would still occasionally play in my head.
- tagawa 6y agoMe too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FggueO2CYls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FggueO2CYls (Maybe there’s a whole anti-IE album’s worth out there?)
- amarant 6y agoThat's you? Haha that's great! I was gonna post a link to that of it wasn't here, I love that song! Thanks for expressing my emotions better than I could on a number of occasions!
- iso1631 6y ago4:45 pm? Your widget is not ready to go live.
- acheron 6y agoAnd now we’re back in the “this page works best with” days.
- whywhywhywhy 6y agoIf you told me 5 years ago that in 2020 I'd have to argue with my engineering team to get them to test in more than one browser I'd have laughed in your face, yet here we are.
- spiritplumber 6y agoIs Chrome evil?
- userbinator 6y agoA deeper evil... for all the hate IE got, at least it didn't try to track and monetise its users nor treated them like idiots (compare the options dialog of IE to Chrome for a stark contrast, and then with Edge for even more sadness.)
- q92z8oeif 6y agoSo true. for chrome, every single point here is true (just replace outlook with gmail): A Glimpse in to an "Enterprise" Intranet plus, IE never caries around my login and offer to it to more sites than facebook, like chrome does with my google login.
- rosywoozlechan 6y agoInitially, IE was only ever evil for Netscape investors. It was great for users, a free browser! And it was great for developers, it spearheaded DHTML and browser based application development with powerful for the time ActiveX controls. If you didn't mind that stuff being non-standard, and as a dev I just liked doing cool stuff with tech. It wasn't until 2005 when they stopped caring about making browsers better and it started lagging behind Firefox in all the new design fads at the time - transparent PNGs, rounded corners - and the dev tools couldn't keep up with Firebug. That is when IE started to be annoying, in my opinion anyway.
- lostgame 6y agoThe lack of transparent PNG support was awful for a while. I believe IE8, maybe even IE7 supported it, but IE6 was still everywhere in the wild at the time, and your site could look strange without transparent PNG support. I’m honestly grateful for where we are at right now with major browsers and web standards.
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- olivierestsage 6y agoThere's something beautiful and odd about reading the page about how much "Windoze 98" sucks, in 2020, from a computer running Xubuntu with the fabulous Chicago 95 theme[1] that brings back the old aesthetic. [1] https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
- leonidasv 6y agoThis theme really rocks. I've used it for quite some time. I still miss some gotchas from Windows 95 UX (1 pixel width things, no overuse of shadows/highlights, concise color pallette, etc), and started to respect it even more after reading this article: https://socket3.wordpress.com/2018/02/03/designing-windows-95s-user-interface/ https://socket3.wordpress.com/2018/02/03/designing-windows-9...
- Lammy 6y agoIt's very appropriate then that one of Chicago95's demo screenshots is of a browser open to (a different section of) this same website https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95/blob/master/Screenshots/SCREENSHOTS.md https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95/blob/master/Screensho...
- anthk 6y agoWindows 98 with ActiveX was as obnoxious and laggish as a desktop environment made with Electron today. You could disable it in a breeze and get a good boost.
- shrimp_emoji 6y agoFrom article: >Somewhere around this point, people began spewing mindless drivel about how browsers would somehow magically replace operating systems eventually, and how in the future all applications would be "web based". From you: >a desktop environment made with Electron today. A browser DE would be great. ;w; A crossplatform shell with the same tray and file manager and everything? Wherein I can open a browser and play crossplatform browser games[0]? When pls 0: https://wasm.continuation-labs.com/d3demo/ https://wasm.continuation-labs.com/d3demo/
- identity0 6y agoI like this remark from the first page under “history”: > Somewhere around this point, people began spewing mindless drivel about how browsers would somehow magically replace operating systems eventually, and how in the future all applications would be "web based". This, of course, got Microsoft's attention.
- toohotatopic 6y agoInterestingly, MS is embracing the web now with MS Teams whereas Apple, which has started iOS with web based apps, is almost discontinuing their usage.
- ppseafield 6y agoIndeed. Safari, once very forward thinking, now lags behind every major browser in features and compatibility. Apple saw progressive web apps first as a revolutionary feature that could drive iPhone sales, and then second as a revolutionary feature that would eat into their app store revenue.
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- tpetry 6y agoThat‘s a misconception. Apple added the progressive web apps feature to early iphones because people asked to develop custom apps. But rolling out a complete custom app platform is a heavy task so web apps was a very easy target to implement. Maybe the early iOS didnt even have a sandbox to run untrusted apps, who knows.
- DeathArrow 6y agoWouldn't many companies embrace open platforms while they have a small user base and that help them grow and after that lock their users behind proprietary platforms?
- pjc50 6y agoImagine how much their head would explode when shown a Chromebook. Or the Candy Crush preinstall in Windows 10.
- alexfromapex 6y agoSimilar story for the office suite. Microsoft keeps a lion share of the desktop market trapped using their office software by using anti-competitive practices like switching to new formats like docx, xslx, etc. once other office software successfully reverse-engineered the formats like .doc because they know if they lose the office software market they’ll slowly lose the desktop OS market.
- saagarjha 6y agoDOCX/PPTX/XLSX are standardized: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
- alexfromapex 6y agoHTML, CSS, and JS are also standardized but IE & Edge go in their own direction whenever it suits them. Show me office software that has perfect compatibility with Microsoft’s office software and I’ll retract everything I’ve said.
- saagarjha 6y agoDo you have the same complaints about PDF?
- cookiengineer 6y agoGiven the market share of how many (cross platform, cross architecture) exploits can be delivered through pdf payload... I would say yes, Imho I totally have the same complaints about pdf.
- DeathArrow 6y ago>HTML, CSS, and JS are also standardized but IE & Edge go in their own direction whenever it suits them Pretty much in contrast of what Chrome and Safari teams are doing, no? /irony
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- tech-historian 6y agoA deep dive into Internet Explorer's design history: https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/internet-explorer https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/internet-explorer
- zaro 6y agoAdjusted for inflation: Chrome Is Evil (2020)
- Gravityloss 6y agoIt was such a powerful generational phenomenon that kids have heard of it even if they have no direct experience: https://youtu.be/8ucCxtgN6sc?t=188 https://youtu.be/8ucCxtgN6sc?t=188
- Timpy 6y ago> Microsoft forced people to install their browser, and other tasteless things. > Windows 95 was also heavily about choice. I recently received a tech support phone call from my mother because her "computer was showing an error that she only has one drive working, and it's really slow. I need all my drives!" Windows computers are throwing errors now if you don't have OneDrive configured. Tasteless. I'm so sick of this. I don't want OneDrive, I don't want Teams, I don't want a 3d Objects folder. I don't want my computer to schedule its own restart, I don't want my (supposedly) sleeping computer to randomly play an "error" sound. I don't want my login screen to default to PIN instead of passwords. A young version of me considered Microsoft superior because unlike Apple, I felt like I could make choices about my environment. I just gave my mom a laptop with Linux Mint installed, I changed all of the mint icons to windows icons, I renamed Libre office programs to their Microsoft office counterparts. We'll see how this experiment goes.
- fartcannon 6y agoAs someone who did that for my mum, it will go reassuringly fine until she tries to do something not permitted like watch CraveTV. Or install something her friends have. But hang in there man, youre fighting the good fight! I had my mum and dad on Linux from 2005-2014 when a gift from my sister (garmin running watch) exposed my lie!
- progval 6y ago> I don't want my computer to schedule its own restart I understand it's annoying, but as someone who deals with spam, I prefer that Microsoft forces people to apply security upgrades on their home computers.
- Timpy 6y agoIt's possible to keep security up to date without imposing the tasteless crap I've non-exhaustively listed. I would save time and pain if the only problem Microsoft gave me was that I had to manually run security updates.
- MaxBarraclough 6y agoIn defence of IE: it's the only browser that's able to view YouTube videos in 1080P without stuttering, on my rather old laptop running Windows 10. Firefox, Vivaldi, and Blink-powered Edge, all tend to stutter. At best they run with higher CPU usage. YouTube tells me they will soon be retiring support for IE, though.
- ChrisArchitect 6y ago2002? c'mon. What, are we trying to show this old site is still running/historical artifact maybe? meh
- mD5pPxMcS6fVWKE 6y agoIE had 94% market share at around 2001. Chrome, even including all the Chromuim-derived browsers, doesn't come close to that level of monopoly, thanks primarily to Apple Safari and Firefox. But anyway they have majority and it is bad. As an operating system though, Windows has never been as bad in human rights department as Android or iOS. You could always (and still can) install/uninstall any program, and modify the system all you want. Not so with Android. A lot of crap spyware can't be uninstalled at all.