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Pentagon officially releases UFO videos [video]

58 points by yogiUSA 6y ago

Hongwei 6y ago
As stated in the video, this was leaked years ago. They're just confirming the authenticity of the videos. Here's an older, non-region locked video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUT3rgT3P6E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUT3rgT3P6E
gdubs 6y ago
This links to a quick morning show clip that doesn’t really say a whole lot; here’s the official press release from the Pentagon: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2165713/statement-by-the-department-of-defense-on-the-release-of-historical-navy-videos/ https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/21...
- arikr 6y ago
  @Dang what do you think about changing the url to this?
HugoDaniel 6y ago
Is it a coincidence that XCom Chimera Squad was recently released?
BtM909 6y ago
And here's the pilot of that encounter in an interview: Joe Rogan Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ)
erdos4d 6y ago
This has been on here a number of times. Given how skeptical people are on here, I'm deeply curious what sort of mental gymnastics will be wheeled out to explain this. My bet is 100% on ET space probe. Anyone care to explain how these things move, what is powering them, or who built them?
- api 6y ago
  It is one logical solution to the Fermi paradox: there is no Fermi paradox. The problem with UFOs is that there is so much cultural and folklore baloney surrounding the topic. But ignore all that and look at actually reliable case data like this. This is not enough to prove anything but it's enough to suggest that we might want to look. Personally I would not mind seeing an ultra-wide-field (fish eye?) infrared space telescope watching the solar system. Unless ET found a way around the second law of thermodynamics, anything using non-trivial amounts of energy is going to light up like a beacon in the sky in the infrared spectrum far beyond what can be accounted for by normal solar albedo. For example a large nuclear fusion reactor in space would require enormous heat sinks to not melt itself and the entire spacecraft, and any propulsion system capable of fast movement around the solar system or especially interstellar flight is going to be blindingly bright in the infrared when it executes a burn. Call it near field SETI.
  - m4rtink 6y ago
    Yeah, not much you can do about that of you want to have any signifficant systems running and do any manuevering: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect....
  - greesil 6y ago
    A rocket launch from a planet, sure. But something using electric propulsion might not. The exhaust plasma is not super hot, and there's just not that much of it coming out.
    - api 6y ago
      Nope. If you are doing anything you are doing work and thus converting energy. The second law is inescapable, and it's one of the most solidly established of all physical laws. If we assume the same laws exist everywhere (quite reasonable) then ET must follow those same laws too. First, you have to be generating the energy. No reactor or conversion process can be 100% efficient (second law), so you must reject some heat. If it's solar, you have big-ass solar panels that get hot because they are not 100% efficient. The ISS looks like an orbiting Christmas tree in the infrared. Second, the "rocket" exhaust might be a directed particle beam but whatever is accelerating that exhaust cannot be 100% efficient (second law again). More rejected heat. Then you have all the other stuff going on. If the inhabitants are biological, life support for a long-duration large scale space flight is going to be pretty energetically expensive. Think of growing crops, bulk biosynthesis of nutrients, and a whole lot of recycling which usually involves a lot of endothermic reactions to break down waste products. If the inhabitants are post-biological (IMHO more likely for star travelers) then you have a whole lot of computronium of some kind. That's a big flying data center in space, and everyone knows how much heat those put off. ... I could keep going forever. You can reclaim a bit of heat like we do here on Earth with combined-cycle power plants, but there are absolute, hard, inescapable limits to how much. You also hit diminishing returns pretty fast, and keep in mind that a spacecraft has mass constraints it must work within due to delta-V budget and all that. At some point the graphs are gonna cross where it makes more sense just to reject heat, and any rational engineer will pick that point. You're gonna need a radiator, and there is no way to make that not visible. If you want to hide from the crazy-ass monkeys on the third planet you could try flying with a reflector in the way to block your heat from the Earth-Moon system and reflect it elsewhere, but the problem is that now your reflector will reflect a bunch of incident solar radiation! Last but not least: we are in theory talking about interstellar visitors here. Anything capable of interstellar travel is by definition capable of generating absolutely vast mind-boggling amounts of energy. The only physical power planets we know of that could theoretically propel you to the stars (at a reasonable enough speed) are some mix of fusion and matter-antimatter annihilation. Even turning that monster of a power plant on to "idle mode" is going to say "here I am!" in the infrared... if someone is actually looking. AFAIK we are not currently looking.
sq_conspiracy 6y ago
Trying to distract the conspiracy theorists away from COVID-19, to minimize the harm that misinformation may be causing? Is this conspiracinception?
- ethbro 6y ago
  Counterspiracy?
- johnchristopher 6y ago
  Are the covid and the UFO conspiracy theorists the same ?
  - thefounder 6y ago
    Well if you believe covid is transmitted via 5G cell towers or that injecting disinfectant may cure you, they are pretty mich in the trash bin.
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      I'm not sure there's a big population of people who want to inject anything or that 5G transmits covid - in fact, even in those quarantined subs on Reddit, those aren't mentioned. Many of them were called "conspiracy nuts" when they accused China of mass burning bodies and lying about death rates - something the US intelligence community has now confirmed.
      - thefounder 6y ago
        >> I'm not sure there's a big population of people who want to inject anything or that 5G transmits covid - in fact, even in those quarantined subs on Reddit, those aren't mentioned. There is a "big population" that believes anything the orange man tells them. It's been probed and will be probed again. As far as China is concerned there is no news that communist regimes are pathological liars. It's part of the (censorship) system
ABNW 6y ago
Mick West debunked these before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus
- d883kd8 6y ago
  From YT comments: Interesting times - the gvmt is releasing UFO videos and enthusiasts start debunking them. It used to be the opposite back in my day.
- Daniel_sk 6y ago
  This explanation sounds plausible. I have a theory that maybe releasing this is also part of strategy to justify spending on the "Space Force" by Trump?...
- themodelplumber 6y ago
  He's mostly "debunked" them for the group of viewers who really want this to be phenomena we already understand. The broader group of researchers, who are open to anything from atmospheric physics phenomena to straight up aliens, are worth giving a listen regarding his debunking. IMO they ask good questions.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    Have you watched his debunking of the "Go Fast" video? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M) I don't see any wiggle room around what he lays out, certainly not enough to warrant putting 'debunk' into "scarequotes". The object simply was not 'going fast'; it was a weather balloon sized object moving at weather balloon speeds that only looks like it's going fast due to parallax. The only question in my mind is whether the USN is filled with fools who couldn't figure out what he figured out, or whether they're deliberately fucking with us. I'm strongly inclined to think it's the later.
    - erdos4d 6y ago
      Dude, navy pilots are trained to recognize this. They've had years now to come out with a statement saying it was a balloon and make it go away. They haven't and this story continues to pester their PR guys. But 'ol Mick here is way smarter than all of the pilots and the Navy experts and he says its a balloon, so they're all full of it and it's a balloon? I can't even begin to describe how dumb this sounds. Get real.
dubcanada 6y ago
Can't watch as I am from Canada :( do we not have UFO's in Canada!?
- CosmicShadow 6y ago
  Sorry, we're not allowed, this content is for Americans only. I mean, they went through the effort to specifically block everyone else, so it must be really important to them, so we should just back off, for important reasons of course.
  - sebazzz 6y ago
    That's funny because the main news broadcaster in the Netherlands just copied the video and self-hosts it.
pjc50 6y ago
This would have more weight if it wasn't from the era of a government that lies about everything.
joshuaheard 6y ago
Harry Reid was U.S. Senator of Nevada, where Area 51 is located. He was one of the most powerful people in Washington D.C. as Senate Majority leader for a decade and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He was in the best position to know everything about UFOs, captured alien craft, and reverse-engineering alien technology. Here is his statement on Twitter: "I’m glad the Pentagon is finally releasing this footage, but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed."
- hckr_news 6y ago
  Or perhaps he’s trying to garner more funding with this news story shrugs
  - stev_stev 6y ago
    Funding for what? Isn’t he retired?
    - perardi 6y ago
      Retired, yes, though from what I hear still a player in Nevada politics, and I assume has some sort of lobbying-related incoming. (I'm speculating, didn't run a search.) But he's also really getting up there in years, and he has been agitating about UFOs for a while, so maybe he legitimately wants to know what is up.
t0ughcritic 6y ago
Why now?
egfx 6y ago
How come noone is considering these to be man made phenomena? I.E projections designed to look like solid objects? I saw this phenomenon with my own eyes in the 90’s and it’s very real but space aliens over made made projections? And before this projection idea gets debunked by the fact that this was caught on radar. Recent advancements have enabled the detection of projections via radar. https://books.google.com/books?id=AZoSALzL3V4C https://books.google.com/books?id=AZoSALzL3V4C I talked to someone who has a relative that flys high altitude spy planes about this and he said, “I’ll put it this way. There is nothing flying in the air that we don’t fully understand”.
- dtx1 6y ago
  Gimbal and Gofast lack enough info to not be explained by a baloon or a far away jet confusing the camera operators (i doubt the gimbal explanation due to context but again we lack the data...) As for the projection idea, that would explain the ability to reach impossible speeds. However as long as this is not demonstrated by anyone your guess is as good as the alien probe guess > I talked to someone who has a relative that flys high altitude spy planes and he said, “I’ll put it this way. There is nothing flying in the air that we don’t fully understand”. You see why this might be considered annecdotal at best?
- s5300 6y ago
  Ahh... yes. Your somebody's relative's anecdotal proof has definitely put this case to rest. I suggest nobody prose any further questions. Do we know if this person even has a relative? Maybe they have schizophrenia and it's a relative in their head. My anecdotal idea is that it's probably against some fairly serious oath that those who fly "high altitude spy planes" don't disclose that work to anybody... even relatives... Who knows tho, right?
- koheripbal 6y ago
  The consensus within the nuclear proliferation community (at least the community or researchers at the Arms Control Wonk slack channel) believe these to be a test of guided MRVs after a re-entry test. It seems pretty plausible. The hyper-speed, flying in formation, and the shape of the objects - all seem to be plausible for guided re-entry vehicles for a MRV nuclear missile test.
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michelb 6y ago
Are there any recent, somewhat credible sightings? I mean we have millions of highquality lenses watching the skies, almost everyone has a camera in their pocket. Every piece of video nowadays should be in at least 720p quality, quite clear, even in lower light situations. Quite an upgrade from the potato camera’s of yesteryear. I’m a skeptic and love to proven wrong, but is this a bit like how there are hardly any miracles anymore?
- hckr_news 6y ago
  Looks like the thing was flying at thousands of miles per hour if not more. Probably hard to capture it in clear detail. Or could be that it was intentionally unclear to mislead folks.
sys_64738 6y ago
Weather balloons?
koheripbal 6y ago
The folks over at ArmsControlWonk Slack channel are saying they are probably tests of guided MRV warheads. It's easy to get objects with no wings to travel at incredible speeds if they are in re-entry. It also explains multiple objects flying in formation.
- egfx 6y ago
  How about being able to actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime? The projections idea, as unscrutinized as it is seems much more in line with the description of the objects.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    None of those properties are apparent in the videos that have been released. It seems more likely that they'd be a property of the turbulence and relative velocities of the planes vs the re-entry vehicles. From the videos, you see extreme-speed objects that are banking aggressively, and audio confirmation of them flying in formation. Is there direct evidence of "actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime"?
    - egfx 6y ago
      Actually this is from the account of the incident https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ Paper: https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC%20TAC%20UFO%20EXECUTIVE%20REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document...
      - koheripbal 6y ago
        The "History" Channel is not an authoritative source, and the pilot himself said on the Joe Rogan podcast that they were taking creative license with a lot of "facts" on the case. Your 2nd source is a collection of wikipedia snippets and unsourced writting. There's no original source on any of it - nor any indication of authorship. It's scanned and has a few things blacked out to make it look like a gov't document, but there's no indication this was written by any government source.

58 points by yogiUSA 6y ago

As stated in the video, this was leaked years ago. They're just confirming the authenticity of the videos. Here's an older, non-region locked video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUT3rgT3P6E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUT3rgT3P6E

gdubs 6y ago

This links to a quick morning show clip that doesn’t really say a whole lot; here’s the official press release from the Pentagon: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2165713/statement-by-the-department-of-defense-on-the-release-of-historical-navy-videos/ https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/21...

arikr 6y ago
@Dang what do you think about changing the url to this?

HugoDaniel 6y ago

Is it a coincidence that XCom Chimera Squad was recently released?

BtM909 6y ago

And here's the pilot of that encounter in an interview: Joe Rogan Experience #1361 - Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ)

erdos4d 6y ago

This has been on here a number of times. Given how skeptical people are on here, I'm deeply curious what sort of mental gymnastics will be wheeled out to explain this. My bet is 100% on ET space probe. Anyone care to explain how these things move, what is powering them, or who built them?

api 6y ago
It is one logical solution to the Fermi paradox: there is no Fermi paradox. The problem with UFOs is that there is so much cultural and folklore baloney surrounding the topic. But ignore all that and look at actually reliable case data like this. This is not enough to prove anything but it's enough to suggest that we might want to look. Personally I would not mind seeing an ultra-wide-field (fish eye?) infrared space telescope watching the solar system. Unless ET found a way around the second law of thermodynamics, anything using non-trivial amounts of energy is going to light up like a beacon in the sky in the infrared spectrum far beyond what can be accounted for by normal solar albedo. For example a large nuclear fusion reactor in space would require enormous heat sinks to not melt itself and the entire spacecraft, and any propulsion system capable of fast movement around the solar system or especially interstellar flight is going to be blindingly bright in the infrared when it executes a burn. Call it near field SETI.
- m4rtink 6y ago
  Yeah, not much you can do about that of you want to have any signifficant systems running and do any manuevering: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect.php http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewardetect....
- greesil 6y ago
  A rocket launch from a planet, sure. But something using electric propulsion might not. The exhaust plasma is not super hot, and there's just not that much of it coming out.
  - api 6y ago
    Nope. If you are doing anything you are doing work and thus converting energy. The second law is inescapable, and it's one of the most solidly established of all physical laws. If we assume the same laws exist everywhere (quite reasonable) then ET must follow those same laws too. First, you have to be generating the energy. No reactor or conversion process can be 100% efficient (second law), so you must reject some heat. If it's solar, you have big-ass solar panels that get hot because they are not 100% efficient. The ISS looks like an orbiting Christmas tree in the infrared. Second, the "rocket" exhaust might be a directed particle beam but whatever is accelerating that exhaust cannot be 100% efficient (second law again). More rejected heat. Then you have all the other stuff going on. If the inhabitants are biological, life support for a long-duration large scale space flight is going to be pretty energetically expensive. Think of growing crops, bulk biosynthesis of nutrients, and a whole lot of recycling which usually involves a lot of endothermic reactions to break down waste products. If the inhabitants are post-biological (IMHO more likely for star travelers) then you have a whole lot of computronium of some kind. That's a big flying data center in space, and everyone knows how much heat those put off. ... I could keep going forever. You can reclaim a bit of heat like we do here on Earth with combined-cycle power plants, but there are absolute, hard, inescapable limits to how much. You also hit diminishing returns pretty fast, and keep in mind that a spacecraft has mass constraints it must work within due to delta-V budget and all that. At some point the graphs are gonna cross where it makes more sense just to reject heat, and any rational engineer will pick that point. You're gonna need a radiator, and there is no way to make that not visible. If you want to hide from the crazy-ass monkeys on the third planet you could try flying with a reflector in the way to block your heat from the Earth-Moon system and reflect it elsewhere, but the problem is that now your reflector will reflect a bunch of incident solar radiation! Last but not least: we are in theory talking about interstellar visitors here. Anything capable of interstellar travel is by definition capable of generating absolutely vast mind-boggling amounts of energy. The only physical power planets we know of that could theoretically propel you to the stars (at a reasonable enough speed) are some mix of fusion and matter-antimatter annihilation. Even turning that monster of a power plant on to "idle mode" is going to say "here I am!" in the infrared... if someone is actually looking. AFAIK we are not currently looking.

sq_conspiracy 6y ago

Trying to distract the conspiracy theorists away from COVID-19, to minimize the harm that misinformation may be causing? Is this conspiracinception?

ethbro 6y ago
Counterspiracy?
johnchristopher 6y ago
Are the covid and the UFO conspiracy theorists the same ?
- thefounder 6y ago
  Well if you believe covid is transmitted via 5G cell towers or that injecting disinfectant may cure you, they are pretty mich in the trash bin.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    I'm not sure there's a big population of people who want to inject anything or that 5G transmits covid - in fact, even in those quarantined subs on Reddit, those aren't mentioned. Many of them were called "conspiracy nuts" when they accused China of mass burning bodies and lying about death rates - something the US intelligence community has now confirmed.
    - thefounder 6y ago
      >> I'm not sure there's a big population of people who want to inject anything or that 5G transmits covid - in fact, even in those quarantined subs on Reddit, those aren't mentioned. There is a "big population" that believes anything the orange man tells them. It's been probed and will be probed again. As far as China is concerned there is no news that communist regimes are pathological liars. It's part of the (censorship) system

ABNW 6y ago

Mick West debunked these before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

d883kd8 6y ago
From YT comments: Interesting times - the gvmt is releasing UFO videos and enthusiasts start debunking them. It used to be the opposite back in my day.
Daniel_sk 6y ago
This explanation sounds plausible. I have a theory that maybe releasing this is also part of strategy to justify spending on the "Space Force" by Trump?...
themodelplumber 6y ago
He's mostly "debunked" them for the group of viewers who really want this to be phenomena we already understand. The broader group of researchers, who are open to anything from atmospheric physics phenomena to straight up aliens, are worth giving a listen regarding his debunking. IMO they ask good questions.
- catalogia 6y ago
  Have you watched his debunking of the "Go Fast" video? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M) I don't see any wiggle room around what he lays out, certainly not enough to warrant putting 'debunk' into "scarequotes". The object simply was not 'going fast'; it was a weather balloon sized object moving at weather balloon speeds that only looks like it's going fast due to parallax. The only question in my mind is whether the USN is filled with fools who couldn't figure out what he figured out, or whether they're deliberately fucking with us. I'm strongly inclined to think it's the later.
  - erdos4d 6y ago
    Dude, navy pilots are trained to recognize this. They've had years now to come out with a statement saying it was a balloon and make it go away. They haven't and this story continues to pester their PR guys. But 'ol Mick here is way smarter than all of the pilots and the Navy experts and he says its a balloon, so they're all full of it and it's a balloon? I can't even begin to describe how dumb this sounds. Get real.

dubcanada 6y ago

Can't watch as I am from Canada :( do we not have UFO's in Canada!?

CosmicShadow 6y ago
Sorry, we're not allowed, this content is for Americans only. I mean, they went through the effort to specifically block everyone else, so it must be really important to them, so we should just back off, for important reasons of course.
- sebazzz 6y ago
  That's funny because the main news broadcaster in the Netherlands just copied the video and self-hosts it.

pjc50 6y ago

This would have more weight if it wasn't from the era of a government that lies about everything.

joshuaheard 6y ago

Harry Reid was U.S. Senator of Nevada, where Area 51 is located. He was one of the most powerful people in Washington D.C. as Senate Majority leader for a decade and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He was in the best position to know everything about UFOs, captured alien craft, and reverse-engineering alien technology. Here is his statement on Twitter: "I’m glad the Pentagon is finally releasing this footage, but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed."

hckr_news 6y ago
Or perhaps he’s trying to garner more funding with this news story shrugs
- stev_stev 6y ago
  Funding for what? Isn’t he retired?
  - perardi 6y ago
    Retired, yes, though from what I hear still a player in Nevada politics, and I assume has some sort of lobbying-related incoming. (I'm speculating, didn't run a search.) But he's also really getting up there in years, and he has been agitating about UFOs for a while, so maybe he legitimately wants to know what is up.

t0ughcritic 6y ago

Why now?

egfx 6y ago

How come noone is considering these to be man made phenomena? I.E projections designed to look like solid objects? I saw this phenomenon with my own eyes in the 90’s and it’s very real but space aliens over made made projections? And before this projection idea gets debunked by the fact that this was caught on radar. Recent advancements have enabled the detection of projections via radar. https://books.google.com/books?id=AZoSALzL3V4C https://books.google.com/books?id=AZoSALzL3V4C I talked to someone who has a relative that flys high altitude spy planes about this and he said, “I’ll put it this way. There is nothing flying in the air that we don’t fully understand”.

dtx1 6y ago
Gimbal and Gofast lack enough info to not be explained by a baloon or a far away jet confusing the camera operators (i doubt the gimbal explanation due to context but again we lack the data...) As for the projection idea, that would explain the ability to reach impossible speeds. However as long as this is not demonstrated by anyone your guess is as good as the alien probe guess > I talked to someone who has a relative that flys high altitude spy planes and he said, “I’ll put it this way. There is nothing flying in the air that we don’t fully understand”. You see why this might be considered annecdotal at best?
s5300 6y ago
Ahh... yes. Your somebody's relative's anecdotal proof has definitely put this case to rest. I suggest nobody prose any further questions. Do we know if this person even has a relative? Maybe they have schizophrenia and it's a relative in their head. My anecdotal idea is that it's probably against some fairly serious oath that those who fly "high altitude spy planes" don't disclose that work to anybody... even relatives... Who knows tho, right?
koheripbal 6y ago
The consensus within the nuclear proliferation community (at least the community or researchers at the Arms Control Wonk slack channel) believe these to be a test of guided MRVs after a re-entry test. It seems pretty plausible. The hyper-speed, flying in formation, and the shape of the objects - all seem to be plausible for guided re-entry vehicles for a MRV nuclear missile test.

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michelb 6y ago

Are there any recent, somewhat credible sightings? I mean we have millions of highquality lenses watching the skies, almost everyone has a camera in their pocket. Every piece of video nowadays should be in at least 720p quality, quite clear, even in lower light situations. Quite an upgrade from the potato camera’s of yesteryear. I’m a skeptic and love to proven wrong, but is this a bit like how there are hardly any miracles anymore?

hckr_news 6y ago
Looks like the thing was flying at thousands of miles per hour if not more. Probably hard to capture it in clear detail. Or could be that it was intentionally unclear to mislead folks.

sys_64738 6y ago

Weather balloons?

koheripbal 6y ago

The folks over at ArmsControlWonk Slack channel are saying they are probably tests of guided MRV warheads. It's easy to get objects with no wings to travel at incredible speeds if they are in re-entry. It also explains multiple objects flying in formation.

egfx 6y ago
How about being able to actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime? The projections idea, as unscrutinized as it is seems much more in line with the description of the objects.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  None of those properties are apparent in the videos that have been released. It seems more likely that they'd be a property of the turbulence and relative velocities of the planes vs the re-entry vehicles. From the videos, you see extreme-speed objects that are banking aggressively, and audio confirmation of them flying in formation. Is there direct evidence of "actively camouflage, hop around like a ping pong ball, stop in midair and turn on a dime"?
  - egfx 6y ago
    Actually this is from the account of the incident https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ https://youtu.be/NTLSQCF6ohQ Paper: https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC%20TAC%20UFO%20EXECUTIVE%20REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document...
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      The "History" Channel is not an authoritative source, and the pilot himself said on the Joe Rogan podcast that they were taking creative license with a lot of "facts" on the case. Your 2nd source is a collection of wikipedia snippets and unsourced writting. There's no original source on any of it - nor any indication of authorship. It's scanned and has a few things blacked out to make it look like a gov't document, but there's no indication this was written by any government source.