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This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bou

This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bought, even Amazon is only delivering "essentials." But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. There was a positive case in a condo nearby mine. The entire condominium building and adjacent locality is sealed. Not a lockdown, sealed. Nobody in, nobody out. The authorities spent over 9 hours interviewing all family members, neighbors, and friends of the infected for contact tracing. Every contact is being monitored, with police showing up randomly to make sure of no symptoms and adherence to home quarantine. People are self policing mainly to avoid police, but they are self policing each other because nobody wants their buildings sealed. It really is working, I see people unwilling to hand over their credit cards in shops insisting to tap to avoid infections. In my state, there are only 85 active infections, only 2 are residents of my city, and even then I'm given gloves and sanitizer when I enter minimarts, with only 10 minute allowance to go and shop with maximum 4 shoppers allowed inside. Edit: It becomes a big news when a positive case is found nearby. There is a distributed effort of volunteers to monitor infections (http://covid19india.org http://covid19india.org). There is no way government can lie about numbers.

mesaframe 6y ago
>India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. Care to provide source? >People are self policing mainly to avoid police, but they are self policing each other because nobody wants their buildings sealed. I have seen videos of people violating lockdown without fear. >There are only 85 active infections 85 infections which were caught.
- petilon 6y ago
  > Care to provide source? There is some info here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavi... The US is #1 in infections for a reason: we are doing it wrong.
  - castlecrasher2 6y ago
    >The US is #1 in infections for a reason: we are doing it wrong. It's more likely that we're testing far more than most countries than "we're doing it wrong."
    - fragmede 6y ago
      What is that based on? As a relatively rich country, the US has a natural advantage compared to poorer countries, but compared to other countries that have a similar per-capita GDP, that doesn't seem like an obvious conclusion. Hell, given how badly the creation of the original assays by the CDC went, and how distributed the healthcare system is, on top of the current political climate, the opposite conclusion seems warranted.
    - wnevets 6y ago
      > testing far more than most countries source?
    - legolas2412 6y ago
      Have you looked at deaths? Or are you suggesting india's creating mass graves that media is not aware of, or doctors who aren't speaking out. I have a lot of relatives back in India who are doctors, and our hospitals aren't overwhelmed. There are very few cases. And they test every ICU admit for coronavirus.
      - autokad 6y ago
        india doesnt have mass graves not because 'they are doing it right' or they are 'hiding the bodies', but because ITS WARM AND HUMID AND YOUNG. people are acting like idiots when it comes to this virus. take this article: "...others talk about the possibilities of the presence of a less virulent strain of the virus in India, along with the possibility that its hot weather was diminishing the contagion. Both these claims are not backed by any evidence." they have such a hard-lined stance, which is odd because: ""To be totally frank, I don't know and the world doesn't know the answer,"" there IS evidence warm weather makes a difference. droplet virus last longer in the air colder / dryer climates, its why we have a flu season. This has been tested. you pair that with outcomes of countries based on climate, you see a trend that matches expectation. so "Both these claims are not backed by any evidence.", literally the opposite is true. you could argue that maybe cv19 is different than other cv, but so far that isn't true. Not to mention India is younger than most nations on the planet, you have a recipe for a low risk nation. And for a nation that initiated its lock down 5 days after New York City and to be attributing all their low effects from the virus from their actions? thats laughable. If anything, India is probably doing worse to itself
- j0hnM1st 6y ago
  >India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. Some states like Kerala is doing active contact tracing. Also the first case was reported 3 months ago and not 2 months ago. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/kerala-indian-state-flattened-coronavirus-curve https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/kerala... > >There are only 85 active infections I am not sure which area the original author is talking about but less than 150 is the real active cases in some states https://dashboard.kerala.gov.in/ https://dashboard.kerala.gov.in/
- sabujp 6y ago
  all my relatives in india, incl 60+ yr old folks are using contact tracing apps. In the US people are completely ignorant about these things and there's no effort from the govt to push these apps.
- kumarvvr 6y ago
  So what if you have seen videos where people violate the lockdown? What are you trying to say? That there is no lockdown, or that a few people violate it or that its no use to lockdown? Violations of lockdown are happening all over the world. If you are from the USA, better worry about the 60k+counting, avoidable deaths due to avoiding a lockdown.
sershe 6y ago
What is the official end game? Are they hoping that it will be eliminated worldwide, will they continue in this mode indefinitely assuming it won't be, or do they plan to basically close the borders forever (i.e. anyone who enters has to be strictly quarantined so that the internal contact tracing regime could be relaxed)?
- dharmach 6y ago
  I think India opted to err on the side of caution. Now where is required or possible, the lockdown can be eased. Opposite strategy would have been far worse.
- kumarvvr 6y ago
  What is the official end game for all the countries that have lockdown? Have control over new infections and resulting hospitalizations so as to not overwhelm healthcare infrastructure. This is especially required in India, where a large section of the population is uneducated, lack propee facilities and live on daily wages, with little to no savings or assets. As in South Korea, the idea is to ramp up testing so that the country can limp back to normalcy while affected areas are isolated. Absent the strict lockdown, I dia does not have the infrastructure to handle the surge in cases. Hopefully, the population gets immunity and effective medicines are developed to immunize or treat the disease.
  - klmadfejno 6y ago
    There's a painful cognitive dissonance that people seem to have about this disease. If your lockdown stops the spread of the disease, your population doesn't get immunity. No amount of infrastructure will allow the population to get immunity without all of the deaths that come with it. Absent effective medicines being developed, which are very unlikely to appear for a long time, countries need to consider that they're choosing somewhere to fall along a spectrum of disease, or disease + poverty. In Star Trek there's the famous unwinnable test, the kobayashi maru, and our hero Kirk says there's no such thing. This is the kind of naive arrogance that is going to amplify an already bad situation. I don't know much about India or its particular situation but rising food prices are going to be a hell of a struggle.
whoisjuan 6y ago
I'm in Austin. There was a confirmed case in my building and the best we got was a vague email from the management saying that someone had it and that the person had used the mailroom the Saturday before (we got the email on a Wednesday).
- pjc50 6y ago
  Remarkably I hear that Austin is going to be un-locking soon? Is that true?
  - Jac21 6y ago
    Our state is going to attempt "phases" - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/texas-loosen-restrictions-staggered-reopening-212160 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/texas-loosen-restri...
  - brundolf 6y ago
    Texas in general and especially Austin have also had a very mild version of all of this compared to some places. At peak we used something like a quarter of our available ICU beds before things started going back down, from the numbers I've seen. There basically haven't been any shortages of anything (at worst, people would buy up all the toilet paper in the morning and it'd all be restocked the next day). Of course, one way to reverse that situation would be to start opening things back up.
- clairity 6y ago
  assuming that that person self-quarantined, it seems reasonable they informed the building but didn't do anything other than maybe wiping down the mailroom and door handles to mollify the paranoid. just having someone in the building doesn't pose appreciable added risk. would you rather they didn't tell you?
- enraged_camel 6y ago
  Management is being vague on purpose, due to HIPAA.
wasdfff 6y ago
Clips from my friend in Goa show the street scene hasn't changed. People still loitering and buying things in the open air and forming dense crowds. From the clip maybe less than half had masks. Super disappointing and concerning. These numbers seem far to low given the flippant nature most city dwellers are appearing to have to this disease and taking necessary precautions. To me, this is the calm before the storm.
- mdani 6y ago
  Goa was declared COVID-free when the last cases recovered and there were no new cases. That is probably the reason - the situation in other parts of India is quite different. Source: https://m.timesofindia.com/india/goa-covid-free-but-risks-loom-as-7000-seamen-set-to-return/articleshow/75240938.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/india/goa-covid-free-but-risks-lo...
- karanke 6y ago
  Goa doesn't have any active cases and the borders with other states are still locked: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/state-govt-wants-goa-borders-to-remain-closed-even-after-may-3/articleshow/75397015.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/state-govt-want....
sharadov 6y ago
India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.
- sameerds 6y ago
  Heh, families in India have started doing haircuts at home. Some people get it right, and some people don't ... it's not even funny anymore.
  - sharadov 6y ago
    I could have been the moron standing with a placard demanding a haircut, but I took the simpler route by buzzing my hair with a clipper :-)
- sandworm101 6y ago
  I'm in Canada (west coast). No restrictions on driving. People are still taveling to their cabins on the weekend. They get yelled at by other people but are not breaking any laws. My neighourhood is full of elderly people walking their dogs. Bicylists are everywhere. Restaurants never stopped doing takeout. But we cannot get haircuts. Cops have stopped speed enforcement in my area, at least the dedicated speed traps.
  - standardUser 6y ago
    The speeding has been happening all over the US too and it makes me sick. These people should be fined into oblivion, cars impounded, licenses revoked. Now is not the time to be creating extra problems for society.
    - toast0 6y ago
      As always, it depends on the circumstances. If you're doing 15-20 mph over the limit on a highway with very little traffic in the daytime and good weather? That's probably appropriate speed for the conditions. If you're doing double the limit, or freeway speeds through neighborhoods, that's probably dangerous.
sameerds 6y ago
Absolutely this: nobody wants their buildings sealed. In most apartments, people have continued to pay full salaries to their domestic help and insist that they do not show up for work. In some cases where the domestic help are young migrants from other states, the employer families have even invited them to stay over until the lockdown is over. They continue with their daily chores with full payment and the additional benefits of being taken care of by a family instead of being on their own. Whenever someone requests the HOA to allow outside workers, other residents immediately express concern about what happens if even a single person is tested positive. Nobody wants to spend a fortnight confined to their houses, and not allowed to venture out of their house for even a walk.
yumraj 6y ago
> But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. So looks like India is doing in practice what they show CDC doing in the US in the movies, such as in Outbreak.
gruez 6y ago
>But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. How is what you're describing a greedy algorithm? The behavior is based on self-interest, but that's not what a greedy algorithm is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm
_bxg1 6y ago
> Not a lockdown, sealed. How does this work with essentials like food and medical care? Does the government bring supplies to people since they can't go to the store?
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Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
And then there are city level containment zones for tiny colonies (say 3-4 km^2 Radius) when even a single case is detected, where nothing is allowed, groceries are delivered by authorities. Then there are sub - total city wide lockdowns in certain states where absolutely no travel is allowed. Lockdown limits can be increased by the states, but limits imposed by the center can't be diluted. Overall, the reason is very clear as the parent says - Most extreme lockdown of any country (or) at-least compared to other countries where death rates are high; subsequently the cost being paid is extraordinarily high[1]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22676312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22676312
- dirtyid 6y ago
  These are interesting strategies, are there places to read more? Most of my Indian friends are the South and wealthy, they're locked down in multi generation compounds and lamenting cleaning for themselves for the first time - maids sent home. The situation doesn't sound as bad on the ground but I'm skeptical in the sense that my province in Canada has imported 16 cases from India, which is on par with Iran (19), Cuba, while it's not as high as US (393), UK (124), or other hard hit European countries (30-40), it dose seem like there as some moderate level of spread in the country for that much to be exported. For reference China only exported 5. Are there discussions about follow up strategies? Contact tracing apps etc, or is the process going to be manual.
  - Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
    > These are interesting strategies, are there places to read more? Here's WEF's report on India's cluster-containment strategy[1]. >Most of my Indian friends are the South and wealthy India of Wealthy is radically different from others, Just $77,000 is required to be at the top 1% in the country[2]. > my province in Canada has imported 16 cases from India, That's indeed very interesting. India stopped International flights on Mar 23 and the infections as of Mar23 were < ~500[3]. Though it is possible that those 16 acquired the disease from super spreaders in India[4], the likelihood of them arriving in Canada is extremely low. May be they contracted it in their flight to Canada or did they cross land border from US? Do note that, India's infection rate is among the highest in Asia as of writing [5]. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/india-covid19-coronavirus-response-kerala-uttar-pradesh/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/india-covid19-coronav... [2] https://www.businessinsider.in/slideshows/miscellaneous/heres-how-much-money-you-have-to-make-to-be-in-the-top-1-in-different-countries-around-the-world/slidelist/74014945.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/slideshows/miscellaneous/here... [3] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=India+super+spreader https://www.google.com/search?q=India+super+spreader [5] https://www.thehindu.com/data/indias-coronavirus-infection-rates-are-among-the-highest-in-asia/article31440360.ece https://www.thehindu.com/data/indias-coronavirus-infection-r...
webbrahmin 6y ago
Do you live in Noida?
billfruit 6y ago
Really though the governments planning has been very opaque. Even now they don't seem to give any clue on what is going to happen once the declared lockdowns end. Also government is keen on pushing a shady app for monitoring purposes, I home some one does a security audit of that app. And the police has been acting in heavy handed manner. Instead of seeing this is a health care issue, the government seems to view this as some kind of law and order issue, and turned the whole country into a police state, putting countless people into misery, especially migrant labourers with hardly any concrete scheme put in to take care of them during this. There has been serious lack of empathy and care towards the citizens from the government. Government seems to act to preserved face and reputation, rather than for the peoples welfare. Testing rates has been low, also testing is slow, it seems to take 2 or 3 days for people to get their test results. Projections, analyses etc has been hardly published by the government. Also many people have been testing positive more that 30 days, after they have arrived from out of country, that is still yet to be explained by the government.
enitihas 6y ago
Absolutely this. My hometown, whole hometown, home to 55k people, got sealed on just one single case. National highway is blocked. All previous passes invalidated. New passes were issued to ensure delivery of groceries. In a town where no company does grocery delivery, local vendors have started doing home delivery.
pkphilip 6y ago
Unfortunately, from what I have heard from my doctor friends, the government does lie about the numbers. Not all the state govts are doing this to the same extent but I have heard first hand information for doctors on the ground that the govt is hiding and misreporting numbers.
whb07 6y ago
Lol where does the 5% of yearly deaths from TB factor into all this? You mean the millions dead in India over the past decade is still happening, but they stopped this brand new considerably less deadly virus right away?

mesaframe 6y ago

>India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. Care to provide source? >People are self policing mainly to avoid police, but they are self policing each other because nobody wants their buildings sealed. I have seen videos of people violating lockdown without fear. >There are only 85 active infections 85 infections which were caught.

petilon 6y ago
> Care to provide source? There is some info here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavi... The US is #1 in infections for a reason: we are doing it wrong.
- castlecrasher2 6y ago
  >The US is #1 in infections for a reason: we are doing it wrong. It's more likely that we're testing far more than most countries than "we're doing it wrong."
  - fragmede 6y ago
    What is that based on? As a relatively rich country, the US has a natural advantage compared to poorer countries, but compared to other countries that have a similar per-capita GDP, that doesn't seem like an obvious conclusion. Hell, given how badly the creation of the original assays by the CDC went, and how distributed the healthcare system is, on top of the current political climate, the opposite conclusion seems warranted.
  - wnevets 6y ago
    > testing far more than most countries source?
  - legolas2412 6y ago
    Have you looked at deaths? Or are you suggesting india's creating mass graves that media is not aware of, or doctors who aren't speaking out. I have a lot of relatives back in India who are doctors, and our hospitals aren't overwhelmed. There are very few cases. And they test every ICU admit for coronavirus.
    - autokad 6y ago
      india doesnt have mass graves not because 'they are doing it right' or they are 'hiding the bodies', but because ITS WARM AND HUMID AND YOUNG. people are acting like idiots when it comes to this virus. take this article: "...others talk about the possibilities of the presence of a less virulent strain of the virus in India, along with the possibility that its hot weather was diminishing the contagion. Both these claims are not backed by any evidence." they have such a hard-lined stance, which is odd because: ""To be totally frank, I don't know and the world doesn't know the answer,"" there IS evidence warm weather makes a difference. droplet virus last longer in the air colder / dryer climates, its why we have a flu season. This has been tested. you pair that with outcomes of countries based on climate, you see a trend that matches expectation. so "Both these claims are not backed by any evidence.", literally the opposite is true. you could argue that maybe cv19 is different than other cv, but so far that isn't true. Not to mention India is younger than most nations on the planet, you have a recipe for a low risk nation. And for a nation that initiated its lock down 5 days after New York City and to be attributing all their low effects from the virus from their actions? thats laughable. If anything, India is probably doing worse to itself
j0hnM1st 6y ago
>India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. Some states like Kerala is doing active contact tracing. Also the first case was reported 3 months ago and not 2 months ago. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/kerala-indian-state-flattened-coronavirus-curve https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/21/kerala... > >There are only 85 active infections I am not sure which area the original author is talking about but less than 150 is the real active cases in some states https://dashboard.kerala.gov.in/ https://dashboard.kerala.gov.in/
sabujp 6y ago
all my relatives in india, incl 60+ yr old folks are using contact tracing apps. In the US people are completely ignorant about these things and there's no effort from the govt to push these apps.
kumarvvr 6y ago
So what if you have seen videos where people violate the lockdown? What are you trying to say? That there is no lockdown, or that a few people violate it or that its no use to lockdown? Violations of lockdown are happening all over the world. If you are from the USA, better worry about the 60k+counting, avoidable deaths due to avoiding a lockdown.

sershe 6y ago

What is the official end game? Are they hoping that it will be eliminated worldwide, will they continue in this mode indefinitely assuming it won't be, or do they plan to basically close the borders forever (i.e. anyone who enters has to be strictly quarantined so that the internal contact tracing regime could be relaxed)?

dharmach 6y ago
I think India opted to err on the side of caution. Now where is required or possible, the lockdown can be eased. Opposite strategy would have been far worse.
kumarvvr 6y ago
What is the official end game for all the countries that have lockdown? Have control over new infections and resulting hospitalizations so as to not overwhelm healthcare infrastructure. This is especially required in India, where a large section of the population is uneducated, lack propee facilities and live on daily wages, with little to no savings or assets. As in South Korea, the idea is to ramp up testing so that the country can limp back to normalcy while affected areas are isolated. Absent the strict lockdown, I dia does not have the infrastructure to handle the surge in cases. Hopefully, the population gets immunity and effective medicines are developed to immunize or treat the disease.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  There's a painful cognitive dissonance that people seem to have about this disease. If your lockdown stops the spread of the disease, your population doesn't get immunity. No amount of infrastructure will allow the population to get immunity without all of the deaths that come with it. Absent effective medicines being developed, which are very unlikely to appear for a long time, countries need to consider that they're choosing somewhere to fall along a spectrum of disease, or disease + poverty. In Star Trek there's the famous unwinnable test, the kobayashi maru, and our hero Kirk says there's no such thing. This is the kind of naive arrogance that is going to amplify an already bad situation. I don't know much about India or its particular situation but rising food prices are going to be a hell of a struggle.

whoisjuan 6y ago

I'm in Austin. There was a confirmed case in my building and the best we got was a vague email from the management saying that someone had it and that the person had used the mailroom the Saturday before (we got the email on a Wednesday).

pjc50 6y ago
Remarkably I hear that Austin is going to be un-locking soon? Is that true?
- Jac21 6y ago
  Our state is going to attempt "phases" - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/texas-loosen-restrictions-staggered-reopening-212160 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/texas-loosen-restri...
- brundolf 6y ago
  Texas in general and especially Austin have also had a very mild version of all of this compared to some places. At peak we used something like a quarter of our available ICU beds before things started going back down, from the numbers I've seen. There basically haven't been any shortages of anything (at worst, people would buy up all the toilet paper in the morning and it'd all be restocked the next day). Of course, one way to reverse that situation would be to start opening things back up.
clairity 6y ago
assuming that that person self-quarantined, it seems reasonable they informed the building but didn't do anything other than maybe wiping down the mailroom and door handles to mollify the paranoid. just having someone in the building doesn't pose appreciable added risk. would you rather they didn't tell you?
enraged_camel 6y ago
Management is being vague on purpose, due to HIPAA.

wasdfff 6y ago

Clips from my friend in Goa show the street scene hasn't changed. People still loitering and buying things in the open air and forming dense crowds. From the clip maybe less than half had masks. Super disappointing and concerning. These numbers seem far to low given the flippant nature most city dwellers are appearing to have to this disease and taking necessary precautions. To me, this is the calm before the storm.

mdani 6y ago
Goa was declared COVID-free when the last cases recovered and there were no new cases. That is probably the reason - the situation in other parts of India is quite different. Source: https://m.timesofindia.com/india/goa-covid-free-but-risks-loom-as-7000-seamen-set-to-return/articleshow/75240938.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/india/goa-covid-free-but-risks-lo...
karanke 6y ago
Goa doesn't have any active cases and the borders with other states are still locked: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/state-govt-wants-goa-borders-to-remain-closed-even-after-may-3/articleshow/75397015.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/state-govt-want....

sharadov 6y ago

India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.

sameerds 6y ago
Heh, families in India have started doing haircuts at home. Some people get it right, and some people don't ... it's not even funny anymore.
- sharadov 6y ago
  I could have been the moron standing with a placard demanding a haircut, but I took the simpler route by buzzing my hair with a clipper :-)
sandworm101 6y ago
I'm in Canada (west coast). No restrictions on driving. People are still taveling to their cabins on the weekend. They get yelled at by other people but are not breaking any laws. My neighourhood is full of elderly people walking their dogs. Bicylists are everywhere. Restaurants never stopped doing takeout. But we cannot get haircuts. Cops have stopped speed enforcement in my area, at least the dedicated speed traps.
- standardUser 6y ago
  The speeding has been happening all over the US too and it makes me sick. These people should be fined into oblivion, cars impounded, licenses revoked. Now is not the time to be creating extra problems for society.
  - toast0 6y ago
    As always, it depends on the circumstances. If you're doing 15-20 mph over the limit on a highway with very little traffic in the daytime and good weather? That's probably appropriate speed for the conditions. If you're doing double the limit, or freeway speeds through neighborhoods, that's probably dangerous.

sameerds 6y ago

Absolutely this: nobody wants their buildings sealed. In most apartments, people have continued to pay full salaries to their domestic help and insist that they do not show up for work. In some cases where the domestic help are young migrants from other states, the employer families have even invited them to stay over until the lockdown is over. They continue with their daily chores with full payment and the additional benefits of being taken care of by a family instead of being on their own. Whenever someone requests the HOA to allow outside workers, other residents immediately express concern about what happens if even a single person is tested positive. Nobody wants to spend a fortnight confined to their houses, and not allowed to venture out of their house for even a walk.

yumraj 6y ago

> But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. So looks like India is doing in practice what they show CDC doing in the US in the movies, such as in Outbreak.

gruez 6y ago

>But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. How is what you're describing a greedy algorithm? The behavior is based on self-interest, but that's not what a greedy algorithm is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm

_bxg1 6y ago

> Not a lockdown, sealed. How does this work with essentials like food and medical care? Does the government bring supplies to people since they can't go to the store?

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Abishek_Muthian 6y ago

And then there are city level containment zones for tiny colonies (say 3-4 km^2 Radius) when even a single case is detected, where nothing is allowed, groceries are delivered by authorities. Then there are sub - total city wide lockdowns in certain states where absolutely no travel is allowed. Lockdown limits can be increased by the states, but limits imposed by the center can't be diluted. Overall, the reason is very clear as the parent says - Most extreme lockdown of any country (or) at-least compared to other countries where death rates are high; subsequently the cost being paid is extraordinarily high[1]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22676312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22676312

dirtyid 6y ago
These are interesting strategies, are there places to read more? Most of my Indian friends are the South and wealthy, they're locked down in multi generation compounds and lamenting cleaning for themselves for the first time - maids sent home. The situation doesn't sound as bad on the ground but I'm skeptical in the sense that my province in Canada has imported 16 cases from India, which is on par with Iran (19), Cuba, while it's not as high as US (393), UK (124), or other hard hit European countries (30-40), it dose seem like there as some moderate level of spread in the country for that much to be exported. For reference China only exported 5. Are there discussions about follow up strategies? Contact tracing apps etc, or is the process going to be manual.
- Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
  > These are interesting strategies, are there places to read more? Here's WEF's report on India's cluster-containment strategy[1]. >Most of my Indian friends are the South and wealthy India of Wealthy is radically different from others, Just $77,000 is required to be at the top 1% in the country[2]. > my province in Canada has imported 16 cases from India, That's indeed very interesting. India stopped International flights on Mar 23 and the infections as of Mar23 were < ~500[3]. Though it is possible that those 16 acquired the disease from super spreaders in India[4], the likelihood of them arriving in Canada is extremely low. May be they contracted it in their flight to Canada or did they cross land border from US? Do note that, India's infection rate is among the highest in Asia as of writing [5]. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/india-covid19-coronavirus-response-kerala-uttar-pradesh/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/india-covid19-coronav... [2] https://www.businessinsider.in/slideshows/miscellaneous/heres-how-much-money-you-have-to-make-to-be-in-the-top-1-in-different-countries-around-the-world/slidelist/74014945.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/slideshows/miscellaneous/here... [3] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/ [4] https://www.google.com/search?q=India+super+spreader https://www.google.com/search?q=India+super+spreader [5] https://www.thehindu.com/data/indias-coronavirus-infection-rates-are-among-the-highest-in-asia/article31440360.ece https://www.thehindu.com/data/indias-coronavirus-infection-r...

webbrahmin 6y ago

Do you live in Noida?

billfruit 6y ago

Really though the governments planning has been very opaque. Even now they don't seem to give any clue on what is going to happen once the declared lockdowns end. Also government is keen on pushing a shady app for monitoring purposes, I home some one does a security audit of that app. And the police has been acting in heavy handed manner. Instead of seeing this is a health care issue, the government seems to view this as some kind of law and order issue, and turned the whole country into a police state, putting countless people into misery, especially migrant labourers with hardly any concrete scheme put in to take care of them during this. There has been serious lack of empathy and care towards the citizens from the government. Government seems to act to preserved face and reputation, rather than for the peoples welfare. Testing rates has been low, also testing is slow, it seems to take 2 or 3 days for people to get their test results. Projections, analyses etc has been hardly published by the government. Also many people have been testing positive more that 30 days, after they have arrived from out of country, that is still yet to be explained by the government.

enitihas 6y ago

Absolutely this. My hometown, whole hometown, home to 55k people, got sealed on just one single case. National highway is blocked. All previous passes invalidated. New passes were issued to ensure delivery of groceries. In a town where no company does grocery delivery, local vendors have started doing home delivery.

pkphilip 6y ago

Unfortunately, from what I have heard from my doctor friends, the government does lie about the numbers. Not all the state govts are doing this to the same extent but I have heard first hand information for doctors on the ground that the govt is hiding and misreporting numbers.

whb07 6y ago

Lol where does the 5% of yearly deaths from TB factor into all this? You mean the millions dead in India over the past decade is still happening, but they stopped this brand new considerably less deadly virus right away?