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Yeah, well, I wish it had one eye, in the form of a headphone jack.

system2 7y ago
Still fighting for this? It is long gone and I am very happy without it too. I use the original iPhone earplugs, works perfectly fine for call and music. I have a Bluetooth headset and if I am dying for music I use that one for more bass.
- downerending 7y ago
  Jacks aside, you really need to get some quality headphones. The ones Apple delivers are beyond awful.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    > beyond awful They're fine.
saagarjha 7y ago
If only it could be a one-handed king as well…
qubex 7y ago
I honestly find it hard to believe that people are still bemoaning the ‘loss’ of the headphone jack. I stopped using it well before it was removed, probably sometime while using an iPhone 6 Plus/6S Plus (so 2015-2016). It was an absolutely obsolete interface and clearly a weak point for water resistance and structural integrity. If you really want to use headphones you can use a pigtail on the Lightening connector or plug them into a bluetooth adapter. EDIT: Fine, there are people who still want headphone jacks. I’m not the one who decided to remove them and I’m glad they did, but I can’t give them back to you.
- Lio 7y ago
  > If you really want to use headphones you can use a pigtail on the Lightening connector or plug them into a bluetooth adapter. How fast will this wear out the Lightning socket? Since Apple put the springs in the socket and not the plug (like USB-C) when that socket wears out the phone is a right off.
  - qubex 7y ago
    Right off the bat, I think you mean write-off. ;)
    - Lio 7y ago
      Ah the beauty of being dyslexic. Occasionally I substitute the wrong spelling of words, especially when replying on a phone for some reason. Well at least you understood the point I was trying to convey.
  - kayoone 7y ago
    I've been using the adapter in my car for 2 years, twice a day, no problems so far. Lightning is far more resilient to this than USB-C ports in my Macbook for example, which have become pretty loose over the years of plugging in chargers and monitors.
    - Lio 7y ago
      It's the lead that becomes loose not the port with USB-C so you can change the cable you use to connect to your monitor and it will be like new again.
  - asdff 7y ago
    It really depends on how you treat my phone. My iphone 5 took a lot of abuse, and I had to use a rubber band to apply pressure on the port to get it to charge by the end of its life. So far my SE1 is holding up.
- nradov 7y ago
  Analog headphone ports aren't a serious weak point for water resistance. Older Samsung phones with such ports had good water resistance ratings.
  - karolist 7y ago
    You could simply film under water with a galaxy S8 and it had a headphone jack without any rubber caps. It's baffling to see the water resistance argument used against 3.5mm jack.
- irrational 7y ago
  All of my headphones are still wired. I hate those pigtail on lightning connectors. Even official Apple ones fall out so easily. Please give me my headphone jack back.
- fulafel 7y ago
  Why would the headphone jack be harder for water resistance than the other (USB/Lightning) ports? I'm sure you don't need a recap of the pigtail problems, but for the record, (1) they break (2) they get lost (3) they're not around when you need them (4) they risk breaking the usb/lightning port when in pocket, falling asleep on your phone, dropping the phone, etc. (5) they're expensive (6) they disable charging, docking, external displays, usb gamepad use etc (7) cognitive load to manage/carry around yet another accessory
- mellow2020 7y ago
  > I honestly find it hard to believe that people are still bemoaning It's a fact that people are, what's there to "believe"? And "absolutely obsolete" also doesn't say anything. Come to think of it, I don't drop things, and I don't get them wet, so your concerns are absolutely obsolete for me: having the sufficient motor skills I don't need to waste additional energy and pollute the world some more, both physically and the radio spectrum, just for a tiny bit of convenience.
- xenospn 7y ago
  I’m sure you can find people who miss floppy drives and dot-matrix printers too.
  - qubex 7y ago
    Yes, I’m sure you can. But there doesn’t seem to be the same sense of anger or rage that they be ‘returned’. I’m really sorry I took the bait and commented on this.
    - thelittleone 7y ago
      Is this a fair comparison? A floppy disk stored 1.44MB. The first imac was released without a floppy drive was 1998. There was other superior alternatives. Floppy’s where quite easily corrupted by magnetically or through other means. Sandisk Flash drives and other alternatives where much faster offered much higher capacity and improved reliability / integrity. How is there a parallel to the headphone jack?
      - qubex 7y ago
        Is it a fair comparison? I don’t know, you tell me, on the basis of the actual facts. When the iMac was released without a floppy drive in 1998, it was launched with a CD-ROM (and, only in the DV models, with a DVD-ROM) drive, which meant it was not able to write to CDs or DVDs. Flash drives were first released in 2000. So... were “better alternatives” available? Yes. Were they incorporated onto the machine? No. The idea was that almost all output would occur through the network, and that was a fairly prescient idea. If you wanted writable media, you had to add it externally — via a USB 1.1 connection, if memory serves (though maybe the machine also had a FireWire port, I can’t quite remember). The point was that the floppy drive wasn’t removed because they replaced it with “better alternatives” on the machine, the point was that they thought that obsolete media had no place on modern almost-turn-of-the-millennium platforms. I’d argue that there’s a pretty good parallel here.
        bscphil 7y ago
- jack1243star 7y ago
  It is not an obsolete interface, if every PC and nearly all wired headphone/earphone uses it.
  - parasubvert 7y ago
    many PC headsets and speakers these days are USB for the same reason Apple went Bluetooth. It’s a limited interface.
    - jack1243star 7y ago
      Limited by what, DAC/amplifier performance? I am honestly curious. For driving audio signal it is a very reasonable interface, outside of professional territory (such as balanced or digital connections)
- kranner 7y ago
  If it is absolutely obsolete, why is it still present on Apple's laptops?
  - throwphoton 7y ago
    > If it is absolutely obsolete, why is it still present on Apple's laptops? I suspect Apple sometimes recognizes when they make a wrong turn. They'll never put the headphone jack back in the phone, or remove the touchbar from the laptop, because they would lose face if they did so. But they'll avoid compounding mistakes; as such the headphone jack remains on the laptop.
    - kayoone 7y ago
      Macbooks are actually used by Audio professionals, so it makes sense to keep it there for a while. A phone is a consumption device and 99% of customers are probably fine with using bluetooth or the adapter.
    - BillinghamJ 7y ago
      They removed 3D Touch from the iPhone.
    - dx034 7y ago
      Or Laptops have just much more available space. They don't have to compromise as much for an extra port at a laptop. But an extra port at a phone changes design considerations a lot.
      - asdff 7y ago
        There were tech writers who were cutting open their iphone 7s and shoving in their own headphone jack. Space is there. This was a business decision to sell more airpods.
      - downerending 7y ago
        IMO, phones are already too small. The only way my SE works for me is having a nice thick case.
- technofiend 7y ago
  The reason I'm bemoaning the loss of the headphone jack on the newer iPad Pro: 1) the dongle is fragile; I broke one in the space of a few weeks, 2) Zoom doesn't retain my input settings between meetings. So I am forced to unplug and replug the USB-C dongle between every meeting.
  - OrangeMango 7y ago
    I suspect that this is actually a bug in iPadOS. I've had issues with the USB-C to 3.5mm dongle, including a period of time in which it was completely non-functional. But then a week ago I noticed out of the corner of my eye that my iPad (the new Pro 11) was rebooting itself. And now the dongle works perfectly again. Give it a shot - if it starts acting goofy again, reboot your iPad and see if that "fixes" it. I'm going to pay attention to it for a while and file a bug report if it looks to be correlated.
    - technofiend 7y ago
      I'll try it again but I found that oddly using a Baseus iPad Pro USB C hub also fixes the issue. Unfortunately the headphone jack on the hub doesn't have enough gain for me so I still have to use the dongle, but at least I don't have to unplug and replug for every call.
- thdrdt 7y ago
  For audio the jack is a perfect interface. Extreme bandwidth, very easy to connect. That's why it is far from obsolete. For listening to music this is great. A lot of very good headphones to choose from and very good audio quality. But when you want to include a microphone, volume control and other features it becomes a problem. Hacks with different jack types were introduced but they are all hacks. So I understand why Bluetooth is better for different types of communication. What a lot of people don't understand is why Apple removed the jack while Bluetooth was already there. Apple did not introduce something better but removed a feature. Some brands are listening to customers. They started including the jack again. Having a jack and Bluetooth is great because you can choose what to use: great sound and a broad choice of good headphones or Bluetooth headphones with a lot of integrated features.
  - Kiro 7y ago
    > Some brands are listening to customers. They started including the jack again. Example?
    - fomine3 7y ago
      Xperia 1 II
  - asdff 7y ago
    It seems like audio jacks settled on the 3 ring design for microphones. My earpods mic work on my xbox, my iphone, and android phones.
- jplayer01 7y ago
  All of my headphones are wired. Sure, I have BT earbuds, but I'd never be able to use my headphones with any of these phones and the audio quality on them is far superior to any BT headphones I could buy at a similar price. And no, an adapter is a terrible solution (especially a BT one, really?). The problem isn't that we think you should put the jack back in. The problem is that you're non-empathetic and believe everybody should have the the same opinion that you do.
Ghjklov 7y ago
Who is flagging this? It's an amusing post and pretty much harmless.
kayoone 7y ago
By now i think these are just troll comments. This is a pretty good phone for the money, it is still possible to connect wired headphones if that is what you desire.
cl3m 7y ago
You right but nobody care. Here is the only petition I found that is still open and you'll see support is abysmal: https://www.change.org/p/apple-apple-bring-the-headphone-jack-back https://www.change.org/p/apple-apple-bring-the-headphone-jac...
- Daneel_ 7y ago
  You really think a change.org petition is going to do anything? I'm certainly not under that impression, hence why I'm not bothering to sign it. Those of us who cherish our headphone jacks still desperately want them back, there's just no great avenue to express our rage. I want my headphone jack. I have $1K+ headphones that are effectively collecting dust because I can't plug them into my phone.
  - bscphil 7y ago
    Maybe the answer is trivially "the sort of person who can afford to buy $1k+ headphones", but this comment makes me immediately think "what sort of person buys $1K headphones and then buys a phone they can't use the headphones with?". More seriously, why don't you get a better phone? (Or carry around an audio player?)
    - nonamenoslogan 7y ago
      Or use the 3.5mm to Lightning adapter. Maybe not 'perfect,' but your $1000 headphones would make sound with one.
      - asdff 7y ago
        Took a road trip last summer with an iphone X as the audio and GPS, boy what an annoyance. GPS drains battery like nothing else, so I had to keep cutting music to charge the damn phone. Why couldn't apple make a pass through charging dongle, this one is so dumb.

Still fighting for this? It is long gone and I am very happy without it too. I use the original iPhone earplugs, works perfectly fine for call and music. I have a Bluetooth headset and if I am dying for music I use that one for more bass.

downerending 7y ago
Jacks aside, you really need to get some quality headphones. The ones Apple delivers are beyond awful.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > beyond awful They're fine.

saagarjha 7y ago

If only it could be a one-handed king as well…

qubex 7y ago

I honestly find it hard to believe that people are still bemoaning the ‘loss’ of the headphone jack. I stopped using it well before it was removed, probably sometime while using an iPhone 6 Plus/6S Plus (so 2015-2016). It was an absolutely obsolete interface and clearly a weak point for water resistance and structural integrity. If you really want to use headphones you can use a pigtail on the Lightening connector or plug them into a bluetooth adapter. EDIT: Fine, there are people who still want headphone jacks. I’m not the one who decided to remove them and I’m glad they did, but I can’t give them back to you.

Lio 7y ago
> If you really want to use headphones you can use a pigtail on the Lightening connector or plug them into a bluetooth adapter. How fast will this wear out the Lightning socket? Since Apple put the springs in the socket and not the plug (like USB-C) when that socket wears out the phone is a right off.
- qubex 7y ago
  Right off the bat, I think you mean write-off. ;)
  - Lio 7y ago
    Ah the beauty of being dyslexic. Occasionally I substitute the wrong spelling of words, especially when replying on a phone for some reason. Well at least you understood the point I was trying to convey.
- kayoone 7y ago
  I've been using the adapter in my car for 2 years, twice a day, no problems so far. Lightning is far more resilient to this than USB-C ports in my Macbook for example, which have become pretty loose over the years of plugging in chargers and monitors.
  - Lio 7y ago
    It's the lead that becomes loose not the port with USB-C so you can change the cable you use to connect to your monitor and it will be like new again.
- asdff 7y ago
  It really depends on how you treat my phone. My iphone 5 took a lot of abuse, and I had to use a rubber band to apply pressure on the port to get it to charge by the end of its life. So far my SE1 is holding up.
nradov 7y ago
Analog headphone ports aren't a serious weak point for water resistance. Older Samsung phones with such ports had good water resistance ratings.
- karolist 7y ago
  You could simply film under water with a galaxy S8 and it had a headphone jack without any rubber caps. It's baffling to see the water resistance argument used against 3.5mm jack.
irrational 7y ago
All of my headphones are still wired. I hate those pigtail on lightning connectors. Even official Apple ones fall out so easily. Please give me my headphone jack back.
fulafel 7y ago
Why would the headphone jack be harder for water resistance than the other (USB/Lightning) ports? I'm sure you don't need a recap of the pigtail problems, but for the record, (1) they break (2) they get lost (3) they're not around when you need them (4) they risk breaking the usb/lightning port when in pocket, falling asleep on your phone, dropping the phone, etc. (5) they're expensive (6) they disable charging, docking, external displays, usb gamepad use etc (7) cognitive load to manage/carry around yet another accessory
mellow2020 7y ago
> I honestly find it hard to believe that people are still bemoaning It's a fact that people are, what's there to "believe"? And "absolutely obsolete" also doesn't say anything. Come to think of it, I don't drop things, and I don't get them wet, so your concerns are absolutely obsolete for me: having the sufficient motor skills I don't need to waste additional energy and pollute the world some more, both physically and the radio spectrum, just for a tiny bit of convenience.
xenospn 7y ago
I’m sure you can find people who miss floppy drives and dot-matrix printers too.
- qubex 7y ago
  Yes, I’m sure you can. But there doesn’t seem to be the same sense of anger or rage that they be ‘returned’. I’m really sorry I took the bait and commented on this.
  - thelittleone 7y ago
    Is this a fair comparison? A floppy disk stored 1.44MB. The first imac was released without a floppy drive was 1998. There was other superior alternatives. Floppy’s where quite easily corrupted by magnetically or through other means. Sandisk Flash drives and other alternatives where much faster offered much higher capacity and improved reliability / integrity. How is there a parallel to the headphone jack?
    - qubex 7y ago
      Is it a fair comparison? I don’t know, you tell me, on the basis of the actual facts. When the iMac was released without a floppy drive in 1998, it was launched with a CD-ROM (and, only in the DV models, with a DVD-ROM) drive, which meant it was not able to write to CDs or DVDs. Flash drives were first released in 2000. So... were “better alternatives” available? Yes. Were they incorporated onto the machine? No. The idea was that almost all output would occur through the network, and that was a fairly prescient idea. If you wanted writable media, you had to add it externally — via a USB 1.1 connection, if memory serves (though maybe the machine also had a FireWire port, I can’t quite remember). The point was that the floppy drive wasn’t removed because they replaced it with “better alternatives” on the machine, the point was that they thought that obsolete media had no place on modern almost-turn-of-the-millennium platforms. I’d argue that there’s a pretty good parallel here.
      - bscphil 7y ago
jack1243star 7y ago
It is not an obsolete interface, if every PC and nearly all wired headphone/earphone uses it.
- parasubvert 7y ago
  many PC headsets and speakers these days are USB for the same reason Apple went Bluetooth. It’s a limited interface.
  - jack1243star 7y ago
    Limited by what, DAC/amplifier performance? I am honestly curious. For driving audio signal it is a very reasonable interface, outside of professional territory (such as balanced or digital connections)
kranner 7y ago
If it is absolutely obsolete, why is it still present on Apple's laptops?
- throwphoton 7y ago
  > If it is absolutely obsolete, why is it still present on Apple's laptops? I suspect Apple sometimes recognizes when they make a wrong turn. They'll never put the headphone jack back in the phone, or remove the touchbar from the laptop, because they would lose face if they did so. But they'll avoid compounding mistakes; as such the headphone jack remains on the laptop.
  - kayoone 7y ago
    Macbooks are actually used by Audio professionals, so it makes sense to keep it there for a while. A phone is a consumption device and 99% of customers are probably fine with using bluetooth or the adapter.
  - BillinghamJ 7y ago
    They removed 3D Touch from the iPhone.
  - dx034 7y ago
    Or Laptops have just much more available space. They don't have to compromise as much for an extra port at a laptop. But an extra port at a phone changes design considerations a lot.
    - asdff 7y ago
      There were tech writers who were cutting open their iphone 7s and shoving in their own headphone jack. Space is there. This was a business decision to sell more airpods.
    - downerending 7y ago
      IMO, phones are already too small. The only way my SE works for me is having a nice thick case.
technofiend 7y ago
The reason I'm bemoaning the loss of the headphone jack on the newer iPad Pro: 1) the dongle is fragile; I broke one in the space of a few weeks, 2) Zoom doesn't retain my input settings between meetings. So I am forced to unplug and replug the USB-C dongle between every meeting.
- OrangeMango 7y ago
  I suspect that this is actually a bug in iPadOS. I've had issues with the USB-C to 3.5mm dongle, including a period of time in which it was completely non-functional. But then a week ago I noticed out of the corner of my eye that my iPad (the new Pro 11) was rebooting itself. And now the dongle works perfectly again. Give it a shot - if it starts acting goofy again, reboot your iPad and see if that "fixes" it. I'm going to pay attention to it for a while and file a bug report if it looks to be correlated.
  - technofiend 7y ago
    I'll try it again but I found that oddly using a Baseus iPad Pro USB C hub also fixes the issue. Unfortunately the headphone jack on the hub doesn't have enough gain for me so I still have to use the dongle, but at least I don't have to unplug and replug for every call.
thdrdt 7y ago
For audio the jack is a perfect interface. Extreme bandwidth, very easy to connect. That's why it is far from obsolete. For listening to music this is great. A lot of very good headphones to choose from and very good audio quality. But when you want to include a microphone, volume control and other features it becomes a problem. Hacks with different jack types were introduced but they are all hacks. So I understand why Bluetooth is better for different types of communication. What a lot of people don't understand is why Apple removed the jack while Bluetooth was already there. Apple did not introduce something better but removed a feature. Some brands are listening to customers. They started including the jack again. Having a jack and Bluetooth is great because you can choose what to use: great sound and a broad choice of good headphones or Bluetooth headphones with a lot of integrated features.
- Kiro 7y ago
  > Some brands are listening to customers. They started including the jack again. Example?
  - fomine3 7y ago
    Xperia 1 II
- asdff 7y ago
  It seems like audio jacks settled on the 3 ring design for microphones. My earpods mic work on my xbox, my iphone, and android phones.
jplayer01 7y ago
All of my headphones are wired. Sure, I have BT earbuds, but I'd never be able to use my headphones with any of these phones and the audio quality on them is far superior to any BT headphones I could buy at a similar price. And no, an adapter is a terrible solution (especially a BT one, really?). The problem isn't that we think you should put the jack back in. The problem is that you're non-empathetic and believe everybody should have the the same opinion that you do.

Ghjklov 7y ago

Who is flagging this? It's an amusing post and pretty much harmless.

kayoone 7y ago

By now i think these are just troll comments. This is a pretty good phone for the money, it is still possible to connect wired headphones if that is what you desire.

cl3m 7y ago

You right but nobody care. Here is the only petition I found that is still open and you'll see support is abysmal: https://www.change.org/p/apple-apple-bring-the-headphone-jack-back https://www.change.org/p/apple-apple-bring-the-headphone-jac...

Daneel_ 7y ago
You really think a change.org petition is going to do anything? I'm certainly not under that impression, hence why I'm not bothering to sign it. Those of us who cherish our headphone jacks still desperately want them back, there's just no great avenue to express our rage. I want my headphone jack. I have $1K+ headphones that are effectively collecting dust because I can't plug them into my phone.
- bscphil 7y ago
  Maybe the answer is trivially "the sort of person who can afford to buy $1k+ headphones", but this comment makes me immediately think "what sort of person buys $1K headphones and then buys a phone they can't use the headphones with?". More seriously, why don't you get a better phone? (Or carry around an audio player?)
  - nonamenoslogan 7y ago
    Or use the 3.5mm to Lightning adapter. Maybe not 'perfect,' but your $1000 headphones would make sound with one.
    - asdff 7y ago
      Took a road trip last summer with an iphone X as the audio and GPS, boy what an annoyance. GPS drains battery like nothing else, so I had to keep cutting music to charge the damn phone. Why couldn't apple make a pass through charging dongle, this one is so dumb.