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Exactly. People are talking about "moving goal posts" because the curve has already been flattened. But if I get it, I want to be as far out on that curve a pos

Exactly. People are talking about "moving goal posts" because the curve has already been flattened. But if I get it, I want to be as far out on that curve a possible so doctors know better what to do about it.

vidanay 6y ago
The fact that the curve is being flattened is exactly what ALLOWS investigation into these deeper insights. You can't measure infection rate when your patient is bleeding to death from an arterial wound.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
People are talking about "moving goal posts" because the goalposts have been moved. In my area, 3 weeks has become 6 weeks, and now that it's close to 6 weeks people I see a lot of comments like yours about whether we really need to go out at all. It's become increasingly clear that some activists think everyone should stay at home forever, and are attempting to trick the rest of us into going along with it by endlessly redefining when it's safe to leave. I'm fully in support of your individual right to isolate as long as you'd like, of course.
- _bxg1 6y ago
  What a strange conspiracy theory to take up.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I just don't see how it's a conspiracy. There are plenty of people who openly say that shutdown measures should be in place for a year or two - the Virginia health commissioner said it just yesterday! The only question is whether they'll be able to make that happen.
    - _bxg1 6y ago
      > It's become increasingly clear that some activists think everyone should stay at home forever Who are these sinister activists that are just using the crisis as a tool to achieve their end-game of [checks notes] people never going outside again?
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        Well, as I think you'll find I just mentioned, the Virginia health commissioner is one of them.
        loopz 6y ago
        They imagine to be living through a pandemic as well? Amazing. What nerves these people have.
      - im3w1l 6y ago
        Cowards who only dare to release the truth piecemeal.
        loopz 6y ago
        Yeah, I want mine served right this moment, no later.
      - benibela 6y ago
        I am. Everyone should work from home.
    - deminature 6y ago
      It's a conspiracy to stop you from dying from an incurable disease until treatment is available, how sinister!
    - ENOTTY 6y ago
      Oh come on. There is no grand conspiracy to keep the shutdown going for two years. Everyone realizes that would destroy the economy and not a single government official wants to sit at home with their screaming children for two years straight. This is a fake controversy ginned up by the right. Here are the facts: The Virginia health commissioner said on Friday, "I personally think Phase One will be a two year affair." Phase One involves re-opening of non-essential businesses, continued physical distancing, telework, and face coverings in public.[1] A few publications on the right interpreted this the worst way possible. Washington Examiner wrote[2], "the top health official in Virginia said the state could be in lockdown for the next two years." Lockdowns are generally defined as the closing of non-essential businesses and requiring a reason for people to be outside the home. It's clear that Gov. Northam's Phase One guidelines are a loosening from the general definition of a lockdown. Federalist[3] decided to interpret this comment as schools remaining closed for two years. Indeed, Gov. Northam's presentation did not touch on schools, but that could just as likely be because a decision on schools hasn't been made yet. In any case, on Saturday, the health department clarified the comments, saying, "Dr. Oliver intended to say that the Commonwealth will likely be dealing with COVID-19 in some form until a vaccine is produced, not that Phase One itself would take two years." [1]: https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Slide-Deck-4-24-2020-.pdf https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/... [2]: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-virginia-health-official-warns-state-lockdown-could-be-two-year-affair https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-virginia-health-... [3]: https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/25/virginia-health-commissioner-says-schools-could-remain-closed-for-two-years/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/25/virginia-health-commiss...
  - raarts 6y ago
    In my country there are politicians declaring the 1.5 meter society 'the new normal'.
rv-de 6y ago
You know that joke about the two hikers who stumble upon a hungry bear and one of them goes about fastening his laces ... oddly fitting.
- chkaloon 6y ago
  As they say, you don't need to out run the bear, only your partner

vidanay 6y ago

The fact that the curve is being flattened is exactly what ALLOWS investigation into these deeper insights. You can't measure infection rate when your patient is bleeding to death from an arterial wound.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

People are talking about "moving goal posts" because the goalposts have been moved. In my area, 3 weeks has become 6 weeks, and now that it's close to 6 weeks people I see a lot of comments like yours about whether we really need to go out at all. It's become increasingly clear that some activists think everyone should stay at home forever, and are attempting to trick the rest of us into going along with it by endlessly redefining when it's safe to leave. I'm fully in support of your individual right to isolate as long as you'd like, of course.

_bxg1 6y ago
What a strange conspiracy theory to take up.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I just don't see how it's a conspiracy. There are plenty of people who openly say that shutdown measures should be in place for a year or two - the Virginia health commissioner said it just yesterday! The only question is whether they'll be able to make that happen.
  - _bxg1 6y ago
    > It's become increasingly clear that some activists think everyone should stay at home forever Who are these sinister activists that are just using the crisis as a tool to achieve their end-game of [checks notes] people never going outside again?
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      Well, as I think you'll find I just mentioned, the Virginia health commissioner is one of them.
      - loopz 6y ago
        They imagine to be living through a pandemic as well? Amazing. What nerves these people have.
    - im3w1l 6y ago
      Cowards who only dare to release the truth piecemeal.
      - loopz 6y ago
        Yeah, I want mine served right this moment, no later.
    - benibela 6y ago
      I am. Everyone should work from home.
  - deminature 6y ago
    It's a conspiracy to stop you from dying from an incurable disease until treatment is available, how sinister!
  - ENOTTY 6y ago
    Oh come on. There is no grand conspiracy to keep the shutdown going for two years. Everyone realizes that would destroy the economy and not a single government official wants to sit at home with their screaming children for two years straight. This is a fake controversy ginned up by the right. Here are the facts: The Virginia health commissioner said on Friday, "I personally think Phase One will be a two year affair." Phase One involves re-opening of non-essential businesses, continued physical distancing, telework, and face coverings in public.[1] A few publications on the right interpreted this the worst way possible. Washington Examiner wrote[2], "the top health official in Virginia said the state could be in lockdown for the next two years." Lockdowns are generally defined as the closing of non-essential businesses and requiring a reason for people to be outside the home. It's clear that Gov. Northam's Phase One guidelines are a loosening from the general definition of a lockdown. Federalist[3] decided to interpret this comment as schools remaining closed for two years. Indeed, Gov. Northam's presentation did not touch on schools, but that could just as likely be because a decision on schools hasn't been made yet. In any case, on Saturday, the health department clarified the comments, saying, "Dr. Oliver intended to say that the Commonwealth will likely be dealing with COVID-19 in some form until a vaccine is produced, not that Phase One itself would take two years." [1]: https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Slide-Deck-4-24-2020-.pdf https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/... [2]: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-virginia-health-official-warns-state-lockdown-could-be-two-year-affair https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-virginia-health-... [3]: https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/25/virginia-health-commissioner-says-schools-could-remain-closed-for-two-years/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/25/virginia-health-commiss...
- raarts 6y ago
  In my country there are politicians declaring the 1.5 meter society 'the new normal'.

rv-de 6y ago

You know that joke about the two hikers who stumble upon a hungry bear and one of them goes about fastening his laces ... oddly fitting.

chkaloon 6y ago
As they say, you don't need to out run the bear, only your partner