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> I strongly recommend anyone similarly frustrated to check out debian, which is a fantastic distro. It is true that the Debian people are doing a great job.

> I strongly recommend anyone similarly frustrated to check out debian, which is a fantastic distro. It is true that the Debian people are doing a great job. > [...] if you're using Ubuntu and disabling snap, you're fighting against the current and I have to imagine it's going to be increasingly difficult with subsequent releases. Actually, snap was harder to remove in the previous release: you had to rebuild certain packages (actually, just pulseaudio, so it only matters for desktops) to get rid of the dependency, but it seems now that it's just a couple of apt commands, so you have to give Canonical credits for making it easier.

RMPR 6y ago
Give them credits to fix what they have broken?
- waltpad 6y ago
  Well, tbh, that sounds a bit far fetched. I meant that we should cut them some slack (English is not my first language). That being said, it's not as bright as I thought it was - see my other comment.
- viraptor 6y ago
  It's not broken. People prefer not to use snap and want to remove it. But overall snap works, and apps installed via snap work.
waltpad 6y ago
Now, this is embarassing, here the list of reverse dependencies on snapd: python3-ubuntu-image xubuntu-desktop xubuntu-core vanilla-gnome-desktop ubuntustudio-desktop-core ubuntustudio-desktop ubuntukylin-desktop ubuntu-unity-desktop ubuntu-snappy-cli ubuntu-snappy ubuntu-mate-desktop ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-core-launcher ubuntu-budgie-desktop snapd-xdg-open snapcraft snap-confine qml-module-snapd plasma-discover-backend-snap lxd lubuntu-desktop libsnapd-qt1 kubuntu-desktop ember cyphesis-cpp chromium-browser ubuntu-server ubuntu-desktop-minimal ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-core-snapd-units livecd-rootfs maas apparmor libsnapd-glib1 gnome-software-plugin-snap command-not-found Any of these packages is going to pull snapd in if installed. Soon after writing the above comment, I decided to install chromium, and ... snapd got installed as well as a result. I guess I should double check each claim I am about to make, BEFORE making it. sigh... Edit: Please note that many of these are "leaf" packages, by which I mean that no other packages depend on them.
- wiredfool 6y ago
  Many of those are also the main meta packages for specific flavors.
  - waltpad 6y ago
    Which means that removing them (when removing snapd) doesn't matter much.
- usr1106 6y ago
  > Now, this is embarassing, here the list of reverse dependencies on snapd: Not at my computer now, but that cannot be correct. Could recommended packages be included in that list? I did apt-purge snapd on my xubuntu 20.04 and it did not pull out anything unrelated. When you install something later an it tries to pull in something later you can always try --no-install-recommends. In the worst case there is eqivs https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/HackingDependencies https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/HackingDependencies but it has been 3+ years that I needed to use that the last time.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Can't you hold snapd, and then install with force-depends?

RMPR 6y ago

Give them credits to fix what they have broken?

waltpad 6y ago
Well, tbh, that sounds a bit far fetched. I meant that we should cut them some slack (English is not my first language). That being said, it's not as bright as I thought it was - see my other comment.
viraptor 6y ago
It's not broken. People prefer not to use snap and want to remove it. But overall snap works, and apps installed via snap work.

waltpad 6y ago

Now, this is embarassing, here the list of reverse dependencies on snapd: python3-ubuntu-image xubuntu-desktop xubuntu-core vanilla-gnome-desktop ubuntustudio-desktop-core ubuntustudio-desktop ubuntukylin-desktop ubuntu-unity-desktop ubuntu-snappy-cli ubuntu-snappy ubuntu-mate-desktop ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-core-launcher ubuntu-budgie-desktop snapd-xdg-open snapcraft snap-confine qml-module-snapd plasma-discover-backend-snap lxd lubuntu-desktop libsnapd-qt1 kubuntu-desktop ember cyphesis-cpp chromium-browser ubuntu-server ubuntu-desktop-minimal ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-core-snapd-units livecd-rootfs maas apparmor libsnapd-glib1 gnome-software-plugin-snap command-not-found Any of these packages is going to pull snapd in if installed. Soon after writing the above comment, I decided to install chromium, and ... snapd got installed as well as a result. I guess I should double check each claim I am about to make, BEFORE making it. sigh... Edit: Please note that many of these are "leaf" packages, by which I mean that no other packages depend on them.

wiredfool 6y ago
Many of those are also the main meta packages for specific flavors.
- waltpad 6y ago
  Which means that removing them (when removing snapd) doesn't matter much.
usr1106 6y ago
> Now, this is embarassing, here the list of reverse dependencies on snapd: Not at my computer now, but that cannot be correct. Could recommended packages be included in that list? I did apt-purge snapd on my xubuntu 20.04 and it did not pull out anything unrelated. When you install something later an it tries to pull in something later you can always try --no-install-recommends. In the worst case there is eqivs https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/HackingDependencies https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/HackingDependencies but it has been 3+ years that I needed to use that the last time.
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Can't you hold snapd, and then install with force-depends?