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Disagree. Amazon is doing pretty well due to the quarantine (as they deserve to given the services they provide). Them having to reduce their share of the prof

Disagree. Amazon is doing pretty well due to the quarantine (as they deserve to given the services they provide). Them having to reduce their share of the profits from these extraordinary times is not particularly noble, but rather just average. The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Here in SF, multiple employees at 3 Whole Foods locations have already contracted Covid. Amazon has not done nearly enough thus far. The fact that they are now providing masks and cleaning up door handles is again, a bare minimum. They should let exigent time off policies rein for at least 2 more months, before going back to business as normal policies. Please realize, that even despite all of the above, their profits will keep rising through this period; there is no reason to think of them as victims, when they very much so are winners in this situation. Foregoing just a little bit of your extra profits to ensure your workers stay healthy in unprecedented times of a pandemic is not asking for too much.

cco 6y ago
> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en. Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lockdown measures it basically never hit SF.
- auiya 6y ago
  CDC says it's still rising. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case...
  - dmoy 6y ago
    Sorry I'm not seeing anything in there that's saying number of deaths per day is rising. Can you help me navigate to where that is shown?
    - jachee 6y ago
      Try here: https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19PublicDashboard/Covid-19Public?:embed=y&:display_count=no&:showVizHome=no https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19PublicDashboard/Cov...
      - cco 6y ago
        Gotcha, thanks. That matches the data I originally linked, i.e. new deaths per day has been flat for greater than a month and total deaths are at 21.
      - dmoy 6y ago
        Ok so deaths per day is actually not increasing
- viklove 6y ago
  Deaths is not a metric that can determine which stage of this pandemic we are in. Immunity is the figure you're looking for, which will not increase under a shelter-in-place order. Deaths are down, but will immediately shoot back up if the shelter-in-place is lifted. The only goal posts you should care about are herd immunity or vaccination. Nothing else matters when discussing how much longer this pandemic will last. edit: Wow you guys are really mad at me judging by all these downvotes. You're right, the pandemic is over, lift the stay-at-home orders! For a long time I thought HN had higher quality discussion than Reddit, but in reality it's just the same BS with slightly larger words.
  - striking 6y ago
    I downvoted because I'm not currently aware of a current usable metric for immunity and because you didn't link to one. It's obvious to me too that the pandemic isn't over but deaths is (to my knowledge) the best proxy for all the other metrics that we currently have, due to lack of consistent testing.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I'm not so much mad, more sad. It's unfortunate to see commenters who go around trying to dunk on people instead of constructively contributing.
  - dabbledash 6y ago
    I think people are hoping for a third option: driving the infection rate low enough that it can be contained going forward with testing and contact tracing. Whether it’s realistic to think that can be achieved in an acceptable timeframe, I don’t know.
    - droidist2 6y ago
      What about the option of slowing the spread or flattening the curve so it doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system?
      - dabbledash 6y ago
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lockdown measures it basically never hit SF. That appears to be false. SF has had corona since Dec. and a large percentage of the population were exposed months ago. Lockdown at this point is just theater.
  - justforyou 6y ago
    >> Lockdown at this point is just theater. Wildly irreaponsible and unqualified statement. Please stop being part of the problem.
  - octonion 6y ago
    That's a dangerous lie.
  - alexbanks 6y ago
    Cite your sources or stop spreading obvious lies.
twomoretime 6y ago
>The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Considering multiple states are larger than many European countries, I don't think it's appropriate to treat the US as a monolithic entity with respect to virus containment. Even if all of the states reacted identically, time and space dictate that different regions will be in different stages at any given time.
- bhupy 6y ago
  Right, you might as well say "The European Union hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet", and it would be equally non-actionable.
- greendude29 6y ago
  I mean, I'm really not comparing anything to the EU or European countries? It's simply a fact. Total death counts in the US are still going up. Once the quarantine is relaxed and things "open up", we WILL go through a second wave. That is by design of shelter in place. Why the defensiveness on part of the US? With or without the above, it's response has been terrible. Why defend bad practices?
  - bhupy 6y ago
    > Total death counts in the US are still going up. It depends on the state, though. New deaths are decreasing in many States, including Washington, Texas, and California [1]. Looking at the US, as a whole, isn't really useful here. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/washington-coronavirus-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/washington-coron...
    - greendude29 6y ago
      This is ridiculous. I don't understand the defensiveness. The United States is a nation. It has a federal government and federal bodies which are responsible for preventing spread of disease. People can travel freely within these bounds without passports or visas or checkpoints. Of course states have their own rules, and this is good, and yes, some states are doing better than others, but why the fear of revealing the incompetence of one nation? This is how nation-states work in 2020 on planet Earth.
usaar333 6y ago
> (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising) Huh? It's more or less flat. https://covid-19.direct/county/CA/San%20Francisco?tab=peakdeath https://covid-19.direct/county/CA/San%20Francisco?tab=peakde... In fact probably better than flat - 2 deaths in last 7 days is lower than any 7 day period in April.

cco 6y ago

> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en. Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lockdown measures it basically never hit SF.

auiya 6y ago
CDC says it's still rising. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case...
- dmoy 6y ago
  Sorry I'm not seeing anything in there that's saying number of deaths per day is rising. Can you help me navigate to where that is shown?
  - jachee 6y ago
    Try here: https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19PublicDashboard/Covid-19Public?:embed=y&:display_count=no&:showVizHome=no https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19PublicDashboard/Cov...
    - cco 6y ago
      Gotcha, thanks. That matches the data I originally linked, i.e. new deaths per day has been flat for greater than a month and total deaths are at 21.
    - dmoy 6y ago
      Ok so deaths per day is actually not increasing
viklove 6y ago
Deaths is not a metric that can determine which stage of this pandemic we are in. Immunity is the figure you're looking for, which will not increase under a shelter-in-place order. Deaths are down, but will immediately shoot back up if the shelter-in-place is lifted. The only goal posts you should care about are herd immunity or vaccination. Nothing else matters when discussing how much longer this pandemic will last. edit: Wow you guys are really mad at me judging by all these downvotes. You're right, the pandemic is over, lift the stay-at-home orders! For a long time I thought HN had higher quality discussion than Reddit, but in reality it's just the same BS with slightly larger words.
- striking 6y ago
  I downvoted because I'm not currently aware of a current usable metric for immunity and because you didn't link to one. It's obvious to me too that the pandemic isn't over but deaths is (to my knowledge) the best proxy for all the other metrics that we currently have, due to lack of consistent testing.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I'm not so much mad, more sad. It's unfortunate to see commenters who go around trying to dunk on people instead of constructively contributing.
- dabbledash 6y ago
  I think people are hoping for a third option: driving the infection rate low enough that it can be contained going forward with testing and contact tracing. Whether it’s realistic to think that can be achieved in an acceptable timeframe, I don’t know.
  - droidist2 6y ago
    What about the option of slowing the spread or flattening the curve so it doesn't overwhelm the healthcare system?
    - dabbledash 6y ago
redis_mlc 6y ago
> SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lockdown measures it basically never hit SF. That appears to be false. SF has had corona since Dec. and a large percentage of the population were exposed months ago. Lockdown at this point is just theater.
- justforyou 6y ago
  >> Lockdown at this point is just theater. Wildly irreaponsible and unqualified statement. Please stop being part of the problem.
- octonion 6y ago
  That's a dangerous lie.
- alexbanks 6y ago
  Cite your sources or stop spreading obvious lies.

twomoretime 6y ago

>The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Considering multiple states are larger than many European countries, I don't think it's appropriate to treat the US as a monolithic entity with respect to virus containment. Even if all of the states reacted identically, time and space dictate that different regions will be in different stages at any given time.

bhupy 6y ago
Right, you might as well say "The European Union hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet", and it would be equally non-actionable.
greendude29 6y ago
I mean, I'm really not comparing anything to the EU or European countries? It's simply a fact. Total death counts in the US are still going up. Once the quarantine is relaxed and things "open up", we WILL go through a second wave. That is by design of shelter in place. Why the defensiveness on part of the US? With or without the above, it's response has been terrible. Why defend bad practices?
- bhupy 6y ago
  > Total death counts in the US are still going up. It depends on the state, though. New deaths are decreasing in many States, including Washington, Texas, and California [1]. Looking at the US, as a whole, isn't really useful here. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/washington-coronavirus-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/washington-coron...
  - greendude29 6y ago
    This is ridiculous. I don't understand the defensiveness. The United States is a nation. It has a federal government and federal bodies which are responsible for preventing spread of disease. People can travel freely within these bounds without passports or visas or checkpoints. Of course states have their own rules, and this is good, and yes, some states are doing better than others, but why the fear of revealing the incompetence of one nation? This is how nation-states work in 2020 on planet Earth.

usaar333 6y ago

> (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising) Huh? It's more or less flat. https://covid-19.direct/county/CA/San%20Francisco?tab=peakdeath https://covid-19.direct/county/CA/San%20Francisco?tab=peakde... In fact probably better than flat - 2 deaths in last 7 days is lower than any 7 day period in April.